The expansion on the horizon

[MikkoAkure]

this is Ochson


At the time people thought it was Emet's familiar
more recently people think its Watcher's animal avatar {silly that is the opo opo}

However It makes most sense it is Ochson's animal avatar
he watched us save the 1st following the hole way back to the source and on to save Etheirys. Not without helping on the way -Zodiarc's moon prison wind aspect didn't brake and held out I suspect Oschon’s {who is wind espected} intervention involved. this would also lead to Oschon taking the watcher or unnamed opo opo under his wing. now the watchers charged watch had come to an end with zodiarc's death.

It's painfully obvious that Oschon's familiar is the opo-opo. Unless the writers are trying to throw an extreme red herring out there, Oschon's familiar is the only one not hanging around and Deryk fits the bill for being Oschon himself.

While we are on that the alliance raid for Endwalker has increased the shards we have visited at this point we have visited 6 shards

I don't believe we have. Those 4 shards you are pointing to have been destroyed completely and utterly, reduced to aether and absorbed into the Source as part of separate Calamities. Unless we're told that they're actually remnants of absorbed shards, all of the EW Alliance raids take place in the "Godly Realm" including the hub zone.

Ok there has been a ship being build in Moraby drydocks for 5 expantions now that needs to finish now the factors of the garlean war threat are off the table they can get on getting on and finish it.

We use other ships to travel from Limsa to Kugane and Sharlayan so "they're building a ship since ARR" doesn't mean too much. That unfinished ship is also mentioned in MSQ or sidequests in ARR so I don't think it will ever be finished anyway.

[Cleretic]

We use other ships to travel from Limsa to Kugane and Sharlayan so "they're building a ship since ARR" doesn't mean too much. That unfinished ship is also mentioned in MSQ or sidequests in ARR so I don't think it will ever be finished anyway.

Fay pulling up that ship as some sort of huge plot hook is kind of a great example of how they're the sort of person who thinks every single thing MUST be some future clue, that nothing is allowed to just be a thing that's there because it's cool or makes sense. You know why there's an under-construction boat at the Moraby Drydocks? Because it's a dry dock and that's what dry docks are for! You know what happens when they finish building that boat, which probably isn't special? They build another one, and that one's probably not special either.

Not everything has to tie into some deep-seated web of mysteries hinting to the future, and not every future plan has to be teased in everything beforehand. Sometimes, a shoebill is just a shoebill.

And you don't need to unveil some 'papers on corkboards connected with string'-style conspiracy board to end on a prediction of the next expansion being in the New World or Meracydia. I agree that that's where we're going, I think most people with predictions agree, but the logic is less 'I have discovered secret hinted truths despite the developers saying there aren't any' and more 'that's a pretty ready-to-go adventure in a place we know just enough about to be interested'.

[Zero-ELEC]

Worse is, the Victory was already an integral part of the Limsa Lominsa starting quests, as part of the sahagin and Reavers' (and Black Masked Ascian's) plot to destabilise the region and kidnap thralls for Leviathan, as well as the side quests for the area. It did get used. It's might not be "just" a ship, but it already served it's purpose, plotwise.

It, like anything else in ARR areas, is now in the time bubble of "well, previous expansion areas can't get updated geometry" so even if they ever finished it in-universe, the thing is stuck there forever.

[Cleretic]

Worse is, the Victory was already an integral part of the Limsa Lominsa starting quests, as part of the sahagin and Reavers' (and Black Masked Ascian's) plot to destabilise the region and kidnap thralls for Leviathan, as well as the side quests for the area. It did get used. It's might not be "just" a ship, but it already served it's purpose, plotwise.

Yeah, this is the sort of thing that occurs to me with this sort of speculation; I didn't start in Limsa so I didn't know this stuff exactly, but a lot of these things have self-contained reasons why they're presented the way they are. If someone keeps insisting everything must be secretly planned as a plot hook for the future, they devalue the thing it actually is. The ship in the Drydocks is both a notable part of quests, and also an important way to communicate the actual purpose of the Moraby Drydocks, since... again, it's a dry dock, that's what they're for. An empty dry dock wouldn't communicate nearly as much to you, especially since dry docks aren't the most immediately identifiable thing to your average person.

Before jumping to the assumption of 'we see the entire planet from the moon, this must be a hint towards the next expansion', it's better to first consider that maybe the reason we can see the whole planet from the moon because of course you'd see the whole planet from the moon, that's the main aesthetic appeal of going to the moon.

[Alleluia]

Fay pulling up that ship as some sort of huge plot hook is kind of a great example of how they're the sort of person who thinks every single thing MUST be some future clue, that nothing is allowed to just be a thing that's there because it's cool or makes sense. You know why there's an under-construction boat at the Moraby Drydocks? Because it's a dry dock and that's what dry docks are for! You know what happens when they finish building that boat, which probably isn't special? They build another one, and that one's probably not special either.

I'm not arguing a drydock can't just be a drydock, but I do want to point out that the particular boat *is* supposed to be special.

Worse is, the Victory was already an integral part of the Limsa Lominsa starting quests, as part of the sahagin and Reavers' (and Black Masked Ascian's) plot to destabilize the region and kidnap thralls for Leviathan, as well as the side quests for the area. It did get used. It's might not be "just" a ship, but it already served it's purpose, plotwise.

It, like anything else in ARR areas, is now in the time bubble of "well, previous expansion areas can't get updated geometry" so even if they ever finished it in-universe, the thing is stuck there forever.

I don't understand why they couldn't update the Victory not being in dry dock? Just put an invisible wall around it so you can't land on it and voila, you can phase tech it as needed?


My wild speculation is that Golbez is planning on connecting the 13th with the source in a bid to allow his people access to a life stream that actually lets them die, and also aether to sustain themselves. He's gonna succeed, creating a stronger void presence either in Eorzea or, more likely, on one of the unvisited continents. I'd prefer the New World, cus I want Tiamat's brood to catch a dang break. lol But yeah, we'll be dealing with that.

But, given the history of set up in patch storylines not really paying off until at least two expansions after they happen, I could see the above being 8.0 as well. We can stick to a mundane threat/exploration expac for 7.0, for all I care. But I don't think we're gonna have that, with Yoshi-P hinting that the end of the patch storyline is gonna be just as much of a paradigm shift as the 7th Umbral Calamity was, story-wise.

Other off the wall speculation: Who knows, we might get (more) aliens. That message Omega received at the end of EW's nostalgia questline implied there was at least one more species still alive out there. Or there had been at some point, anyway.

[fay2]

lol seems I missed a bit when I cut and paste to get about the character count plus it was late

Ok there has been a ship being build in Moraby drydocks for 5 expantions now that needs to finish now the factors of the garlean war threat are off the table they can get on getting on and finish it.

-----The missing bit-----
Plus an expansion on the high seas wouldn’t be negligent not to have a few nods to the limsa opening quests
I find a lot of ul’dah starters feel more invested in StB than most other city sate starters find it ,with how tied Ul’dah and Ala Mhigo are narratively.

Longer still the “crossed gun” guild in Limsa 1.0 devs seeded in and has stayed unlike the other unutilized guilds which were removed in the start ARR or the case of gamblers “2 dice” guild flags in ul’dah removed by HW.



A Buccaneers job would be great to add for a sea fairing expansion as the poster job of the expansion of the WoL.


Lastly to add to all this would be Merlwyb's word in the patchs of EW
Merlwyb is doer not a sayer this will happen so long as she lives



with that missing bit now done and and posted. now back to the thread lol

We use other ships to travel from Limsa to Kugane and Sharlayan so "they're building a ship since ARR" doesn't mean too much. That unfinished ship is also mentioned in MSQ or sidequests in ARR so I don't think it will ever be finished anyway.

So this bit was the threads focus after I posted for a time
lol what I get for not checking my post after posting I guess



Seeing this ship launched feels like something a lot of people from a Limsa start would find a great a true start to new adventure on the open ocean.


As for this idea it’s stuck in asset on the map they can’t change
that wouldn’t stop them They have removed similar things before for story reasons

here’s an example




Also seems people are straight over looking the fact the ocean could be zones we have an under used swimming/diving function in game

There are heaps over myths about undersea/ocean places
Davy Jones locker
Atlantis
Polynesia myth has a realm of demons under the ocean
that come to mind quickly

Lol just think Cannibalistic islander Lalas how the table would turn
being a lot of people j/k lalas are food lol
or getting thrown into a volcano to appease its god

What if there that a thunder plain under the ocean of a zone

In fact there are a lot they could do with that like have us start a zone in dropped the middle of it for once because we fell though the ocean once we get the aether currents we can escape the zone back into the ocean above and ship above that

It's painfully obvious that Oschon's familiar is the opo-opo. Unless the writers are trying to throw an extreme red herring out there, Oschon's familiar is the only one not hanging around and Deryk fits the bill for being Oschon himself.

We could get stuck on familiars over animal avatars,
but really
I'm guessing you missed the interaction between Krile and Deryk about the Opo opo

I don't believe we have. Those 4 shards you are pointing to have been destroyed completely and utterly, reduced to aether and absorbed into the Source as part of separate Calamities. Unless we're told that they're actually remnants of absorbed shards, all of the EW Alliance raids take place in the "Godly Realm" including the hub zone.

Its fair to believe we haven't, however we just spent the initial expansion learning about Dynamis even going to an area primarily made of said Dynamis.

While the Aether content of the rejoined shards have returned to the source nothing was stated about the Dynamis of those Shards returning.