Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Stormpeaks]

What is so toxic?

People forcing it on others, thinking the story should be a thousand hours long because "muh storygame"

You might be right that nobody but FFXIV players care about story in an MMO...but this is FFXIV and FFXIV players care about story in our MMO. It's a selling point and key feature which many people enjoy or at least don't mind, considering the game has been quite successful for a while now.

Sooo what do you want SE to do? Piss off its existing loyal playerbase to please people who don't like a core component of their product that sets them apart from the competition?

And how exactly do they even go about pleasing you in this situation, considering that they already offer the option to skip past all that boring story - for a price. They're not going to give up the $$ they make from story skips for people with short attention spans, especially considering the story is at least 80% of the content in this game, meaning that people who skip it are unlikely to end up paying subscription fees for very long once they get bored of the 'endgame'

So much of a selling point that the story boosts are on top sales every week

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So much of a selling point that the story boosts are on top sales every week

Alts and people who just want to raid.
But it Doesn't disprove that FFXIV is the main attraction for many if not most people.
(inb4 Copium auto-response or some other nonsense response)

[Stormpeaks]

Alts and people who just want to raid.
But it Doesn't disprove that FFXIV is the main attraction for many if not most people.
(inb4 Copium auto-response or some other nonsense response)

Yeah because so many people have alts in this game lmao, werent you the one saying that it was fine to gear up all jobs on one character to BiS and that they didnt need alts ?

Now all of a sudden alts are being made for that and for raiding ?

I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy about coffee being the main thing sold at this coffee shop. I see from your three characters that you've invested a not-inconsiderable amount of time and/or money at this coffee shop where you hate the... [checks notes] coffee. Perhaps another venue would be more to your liking? World of Waffles is a pretty popular place for people to hang out. There's also Green Watermelons 2, Spiced Wine: the Other Refreshment, RareSausage, Old Spicy RareSausage, MapleSnacks, and many, many more.

Or you can keep yelling at the waitstaff to change the menu. With over a thousand posts, I imagine you do more of that than you do eating and drinking.

As for me, I'll have another cup.

"just play another game if you dont like it lol" is a tldr of this

toxic positivity at its best, either you like the entirety of the game as it is and you are very happy, or you can just play another game, you cant like a certain part and hate another, that's not allowed.

Also FFXIV is an MMORPG before being a story game, might be a good time to put that in your thick skull

"Final Fantasy XIV is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) developed and published by Square Enix."

[Reimar]

<snipping entirely too many posts>

I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy about coffee being the main thing sold at this coffee shop. I see from your three characters that you've invested a not-inconsiderable amount of time and/or money at this coffee shop where you hate the... [checks notes] coffee. Perhaps another venue would be more to your liking? World of Waffles is a pretty popular place for people to hang out. There's also Green Watermelons 2, Spiced Wine: the Other Refreshment, RareSausage, Old Spicy RareSausage, MapleSnacks, and many, many more.

Or you can keep yelling at the waitstaff to change the menu. With over a thousand posts, I imagine you do more of that than you do eating and drinking.

As for me, I'll have another cup.

[Sotaris]

People forcing it on others, thinking the story should be a thousand hours long because "muh storygame"

Won't you agree then by trying to invalidate your fellow players that do enjoy the story, is toxic as well?

You can't run away from the fact it is a story-focused game though, wherever you like it or not. You will keep buying skips and the rest of us will enjoy the journey and not take shortcuts to the endgame.

Also, people are not forcing anything onto others, the game forces the story onto the player, as progression is locked behind MSQ. Even if you purchase a skip you still have to go through the latest expansion.

toxic positivity at its best

Like you have spurred passive-aggressiveness this whole thread?
I came here with an open mind to have a debate on the various twist and turns this thread as developed into but alas, here we are.

Yeah because so many people have alts in this game lmao

Actually, a great many people have alts in this game. I don't believe it's a majority mind you but there is plenty of people who have alts. Most people I know do. You even confirmed you have an alt.
I have a handful myself. Raiders are probably the primary group of people who use it though.

I originally made alts for crafting/specialist reasons, storage, and brace yourself... replay the story (this was before NG+ was a thing).

You know whats funny about story defenders like you? Not even Square themselves considers it a selling point, else they wouldnt allow you to skip it with money. You dont see Blizzard selling you "raid skips" because raids are the selling point of the game, you dont see ArenaNet offering story skips for GW2 because they care enough about the story to make it fun and dont want people to skip that. Funny that Square is the only one that sells a way to skip the (claimed by fans) "selling point" of the game. ESO is probably the closest in terms of trying to tell a story to FF14 and you dont see Bethesda/Zenimax selling you a story skip.

*yet

SE is a business, they like money. That's the only reason a skip exists. It's honorable that some companies don't offer it but the way I see it, it's just a matter of time.
I can't recall when it was introduced but if my memory is correct it was during Stormblood expansion, but my memory can be fussy. It's a long time ago.

Blizzard in-directly sells raid skips with WoW Token, from my pov at least.

It's an MMORPG, it's not a story game. FFX is a story game.

That's fine cause I didn't say it's a story game, I have said it's a story-focused and based game. It's two different things. You're right, a offline single player game like Final Fantasy 2-10 was story games, yes I don't include 1 cause it barely had a story.

You can twist my words all you like.

Provide a free skip, and then its not forced

Sooner or later, they probably will have to do something like that, to a certain point. Or do something.

If it works so well, and its always top sales, MAYBE just MAYBE it's because the story is just too long and too boring for a lot of people, it's not as popular as you think it is, else it wouldnt be top sales EVERY week

I'm confused as to what point you're trying to prove. That a skip is popular? And?
We don't have the data points as to which type of people that using a boost/skip, we can make assumptions but that's sort of, disingenuous because either side could use it for their own benefit in their own narrative.

Technically they are in the top sales, but it's not in the top, there is other items that are outselling a story skip. As of posting this, there is 1 boost on 8/20. Fantasia, emotes and mounts outsell it. We don't know the figures but I would imagine it's by a margin.

Are you good my guy ? Do we know each other ? Do you know why I pay for the game ?

Maybe cause you're on this crusade of having some disdain for the game. Calling people toxic?
When levied some valid points, you and Shinkuno go "lmao!", "copium", name-calling, or some other nonsense reply.

A great deal of roleplayers would be using it as well, or people like me who just like to muck about with glamours and replay the story a few times. NG+ exists now of course, but you're still putting in 70% of the time for minimal rewards, and I'd rather use that to build up an additional character for glamouring

That's a good example. I'm not involved in the RP scene so it flew over my head. Now that I think of it, I could see many dedicated RP players using alts and skips.

[Shinkuno]

I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy about coffee being the main thing sold at this coffee shop. I see from your three characters that you've invested a not-inconsiderable amount of time and/or money at this coffee shop where you hate the... [checks notes] coffee. Perhaps another venue would be more to your liking? World of Waffles is a pretty popular place for people to hang out. There's also Green Watermelons 2, Spiced Wine: the Other Refreshment, RareSausage, Old Spicy RareSausage, MapleSnacks, and many, many more.

Or you can keep yelling at the waitstaff to change the menu. With over a thousand posts, I imagine you do more of that than you do eating and drinking.

As for me, I'll have another cup.

You know whats funny about story defenders like you? Not even Square themselves considers it a selling point, else they wouldnt allow you to skip it with money. You dont see Blizzard selling you "raid skips" because raids are the selling point of the game, you dont see ArenaNet offering story skips for GW2 because they care enough about the story to make it fun and dont want people to skip that. Funny that Square is the only one that sells a way to skip the (claimed by fans) "selling point" of the game. ESO is probably the closest in terms of trying to tell a story to FF14 and you dont see Bethesda/Zenimax selling you a story skip.

[Stormpeaks]

Won't you agree then by trying to invalidate your fellow players that do enjoy the story, is toxic as well?

Provide a free skip, and then its not forced, forcing people to shell money to skip a thousand hours of MSQ is forcing it on people, because not everyone has that money, and you know what ? People want to play with their friends in an MMO, crazy I know, and for that, either they have to shell the money, or spend a thousand hour doing absolutely boring "fetch 3 bear butts" "talk to x and then go fetch this book" quests, how engaging

You can't run away from the fact it is a story-focused game though, wherever you like it or not. You will keep buying skips and the rest of us will enjoy the journey and not take shortcuts to the endgame.

It's an MMORPG, it's not a story game. FFX is a story game.

Also, people are not forcing anything onto others, the game forces the story onto the player, as progression is locked behind MSQ. Even if you purchase a skip you still have to go through the latest expansion.

Just like in WoW, but the big difference is that in WoW it doesnt take an obscene amount of time, while in FFXIV it does.

Actually, a great many people have alts in this game. I have a handful myself. Raiders are probably the primary group of people who use it though.
I originally made alts for crafting/specialist reasons, storage, and prepare yourself... replay the story (this was before NG+ was a thing)

That was a response because a few pages back (or on a different thread I dont remember) they said that you didnt need alts to get BiS gear for all jobs, but apparently now they do need alts for raiding

SE is a business, they like money. That's the only reason a skip exists. It's honorable that some companies don't offer it but the way I see it, it's just a matter of time.
I can't recall when it was introduced but if my memory is correct it was during Stormblood expansion, but my memory can be fussy. It's a long time ago.

If it works so well, and its always top sales, MAYBE just MAYBE it's because the story is just too long and too boring for a lot of people, it's not as popular as you think it is, else it wouldnt be top sales EVERY week, how do you not understand that ?

[Iscah]

Actually, a great many people have alts in this game. [...] Raiders are probably the primary group of people who use it though.

A great deal of roleplayers would be using it as well, or people like me who just like to muck about with glamours and replay the story a few times. NG+ exists now of course, but you're still putting in 70% of the time for minimal rewards, and I'd rather use that to build up an additional character for glamouring.

You know whats funny about story defenders like you? Not even Square themselves considers it a selling point, else they wouldnt allow you to skip it with money.

On the contrary, if they didn't consider it a selling point, they wouldn't be putting a lot of time and effort into adding duty support NPCs to all the older content so it's easier to play through.

[Lukha]

"just play another game if you dont like it lol" is a tldr of this

toxic positivity at its best, either you like the entirety of the game as it is and you are very happy, or you can just play another game, you cant like a certain part and hate another, that's not allowed.

Also FFXIV is an MMORPG before being a story game, might be a good time to put that in your thick skull

"Final Fantasy XIV is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) developed and published by Square Enix."

No one's saying you can't play and enjoy the game, you just seem to be making it very difficult for yourself.

If you don't like the story, you're welcome to buy a skip, no one is stopping you. I think we're all just very confused why people are complaining at length about this on the forums instead of just doing that.

Ultimately SE is never going to offer skips for free, because they make money off of them, as a trade-off for losing subscription time on the people who buy skips and then get bored after realizing they bought a game and then paid extra not to have to play most of it, or only resub at the beginning of a new raid tier. And that's okay! If you ever have a change of heart there's always NG+ or an alt, but until then we're all happy you're boosting sub numbers for the short time you'll be with us, and your money will go towards more story for the rest of us to enjoy XD

[Stormpeaks]

No one's saying you can't play and enjoy the game, you just seem to be making it very difficult for yourself.

If you don't like the story, you're welcome to buy a skip, no one is stopping you. I think we're all just very confused why people are complaining at length about this on the forums instead of just doing that.

Ultimately SE is never going to offer skips for free, because they make money off of them, as a trade-off for losing subscription time on the people who buy skips and then get bored after realizing they bought a game and then paid extra not to have to play most of it, or only resub at the beginning of a new raid tier. And that's okay! If you ever have a change of heart there's always NG+ or an alt, but until then we're all happy you're boosting sub numbers for the short time you'll be with us, and your money will go towards more story for the rest of us to enjoy XD

Are you good my guy ? Do we know each other ? Do you know why I pay for the game ?