Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Stormpeaks]

Your opinion in this response is noted. It is unfortunate that you focused only on a part of a sentence without thinking, rather than replying as you did here.

Their complaint is that they removed some story parts, and I addressed it, some things are meant to be exclusive, and that's fine.

FFXIV is also slowly starting exclusives, the PVP glams might be the beginning of that, and I am more than happy with it, it rewards active players.

[VelKallor]

Their complaint is that they removed some story parts, and I addressed it, some things are meant to be exclusive, and that's fine.

"Some"? Thats like calling the Titanic a large boat.

[Stormpeaks]

"Some"? Thats like calling the Titanic a large boat.

Every time someone criticizes FFXIV, you come out and start trash talking other games, then you start to ramble about how FFXIV is a masterpiece and WoW is trash because of X or X

Grow up please and accept that the game isnt perfect, nor is it a masterpiece.

Out of curiosity, do you even read what you quote? Because he explicitly said in the post you quoted that it was his opinion...it seems like your only purpose here is to argue endlessly because some people are pointing out that they enjoy the game...

I really dont care that some people enjoy the game, I myself enjoy parts of the game, however this whole "ff good wow bad" is getting cringe, a lot of people play both games, and it's tiresome that every single critic that goes agaisnt FFXIV, this person comes out of the bushes and starts saying "wow is worse !!!"

[Striker44]

That's what matters to YOU, this is still YOUR opinion, why are you making it a fact when it isnt ?

Out of curiosity, do you even read what you quote? Because he explicitly said in the post you quoted that it was his opinion...it seems like your only purpose here is to argue endlessly because some people are pointing out that they enjoy the game...

[DiaDeem]

[NekoMataMata]

It's a story based game. Not sure what's expected here, especially when the main audience of the game is focused on the MSQ.

Maybe if this game was more focused on the combat I'd understand.

[Alltair]

I feel like people are focusing too much on the story skip and alt character part of OPs thread instead of the main issue/topic at hand which is the length of the MSQ which I have to agree is slowly getting out of hand. It already takes the average player more than a hundred hours just to reach endgame and participate in the new content that gets all the attention from the devs and players. With increasing number of expansions that problem is only going to get worse. The other day I joked about how "soon you'll have to reach the 11th expansion and have 1000 hours of playtime to graduate from sprout status".

Other MMOs (which I'm not going to name as some people here seem to seethe at just their mention) also had that issue and came up with solutions to their story bloat. Sooner or later FFXIV will have to address their ever increasing MSQ size as well (which currently is required to complete in order to participate in the newest content).

[Striker44]

Since I am a veteran MMO player, played them since 2001.
Also, the number of hours you have to spend to play through the ALL msq is just insane.
I am the type of player who likes to have tons of alts and does not like the idea of having all classes on one character.
I like playing every class on different characters like in all other games out there.
It feels like SE is forcing me to pay story skip since it takes me more than 30 days to complete msq on single character. Mostly because I hate it, and I hate it because it is not voiced and there are too many fetch quests. The old republic has all quests voiced, maybe because the number of them is so much smaller than FFXIV.

It feels like FFXIV may just not be the particular MMO for you. Every genre still has distinctions within it. For example, take FPS games. They are set in different eras, some are WWI, WWII, Modern, Futuristic, etc.. Some feature large battle arenas for dozens of players, others a single-player campaign, others both. Some feature special abilities or call-ins, some feature vehicles, some feature none of those. Each individual FPS appeals to a different particular audience.

Same with MMO's. FFXIV is the one focused primarily on the story. It's designed so that you only need one character and can level as many different classes/roles as you want on it. It's not meant to be a game where you create a new toon for every different class you want to play. Again - making the FPS comparison - I like FPS games set in the modern or futuristic eras where you can just pick up and go. It would be like me playing one of the CoD or BF games set in WWI and complaining that they "designed it wrong" - no, it's just not the particular type of FPS I personally prefer. Here, it sounds like you're playing FFXIV in a way that isn't the intended audience, and then complaining that it's not working for you and blaming the designers.

Your second rant claims FFXIV is not an MMO or an RPG. It is precisely both. Again, you seem to be creating an extremely narrow definition of the specific type of RPG or MMO you personally like, and then claiming that anything that isn't designed to suit your own personal tastes isn't a "real" game. That seems a very immature take.

Lastly, I think you may have hit the nail on the head when you said this is your first FF game. Some of the things you complain about are just simply a long-time, common staple of the FF series. Text-based storyline instead of every single word voice-acted. Multiple classes on one character (FF5 is the system FF14 is designed on, where you accumulated "job crystals" and then each individual character in your party could level as many different classes as they wanted by switching job crystals - and many other FF's since then had some kind of system that allowed any character to learn any spell, build their stats any way you wanted, etc.).

[4clubbedace]

they mentioned the posibility of 6.1 being an alternaitve "start" point. New arc n all.

[VelKallor]

Every time someone criticizes FFXIV, you come out and start trash talking other games, then you start to ramble about how FFXIV is a masterpiece and WoW is trash because of X or X

Stormpeaks: My gentle friend, ll be honest here and note that what I am saying is a repeat of what others have told Blizzard for a decade or more. I am not "trash talking", one does not to need to do so in order to highlight and note what others have observed over the years, that literally wiping out content for no other reason than FOMO is foolish..and extremely shortsighted.

The mistakes the Blizzard devs have made over the years are...no pun intended..legion. As far as story goes, Danuser's efforts have made him the laughingstock of many, not to mention the blatant LOTR ripoff that was N'zoth.

That new area ( forget the name..oh yeah Zereth Mortis...) was even more hilarious as Blizzard had actually found a way to timegate........how to talk to NPC's.

"Its water you can walk on"..was supposedly a "brand new feature never seen before"...Im sorry but you cant hand me a plate of McDonalds fries and call it beef wellington.

Their shortcomings, an unending list of mistakes, stuffups, coupled with a tone deaf approach has, I am sorry to say, served little else than to reduce their standing as an MMO. In all truth, Blizzards MMO is a pale reflection of what it once was, and in my honest estimation, needs its own Calamity. A full reset.

Or just tear it down and start over from scratch.

I call it as it is. I am not 'trash talking" when I say that what WOW was, is not what it is now, what is left is a pale imitation caused by what I would honestly state is sheer incompetence. The giants who created the game have left the playground...and it shows, painfully so.

Grow up please and accept that the game isnt perfect, nor is it a masterpiece.

It is my honest and open opinion, and mine alone, that neither game is perfect, nothing ever is. There is no such thing as a perfect game, let me be clear. That said, after having played WOW eight years, FF 14 since April 2019, picking the game up after making my original acct in 2015...FF 14, in my estimation, is the better of the two by several light years.

WOW's story, in my estimation, is a fragmented, jagged and utterly chaotic palimpsest, cobbled together with sellotape, Blu-tack and glue , done by an intern on their first day out of high school.

FF 14's story, by direct comparison,. is cogent, fluid, well executed..and above all..complete.

Something the modern World of Warcraft's narrative can no longer claim to be, by any reasonable means or metric.