Get rid of SAM Limit break gimmick already (FL)

[Divinemights]

Machinest?
Sorry to hear that your datacenter do not have a good caller calling which target to focus fire
It is beyond me if someone actually trying to focus Samurai in 72 men mode when there are other easier and higher priority target
For example, the warrior that Primal Render into enemy group (forgot they no longer has inner rage) should be focus fire before even bother with a Samurai

It is also pretty simple and safe to assume to every Samurai you saw potentially is LB ready after initial 2 mins.
It is also so veryeasy to bait Samurai's Chiten and focus fire him after Chiten duration is over
At 72 men environment, do you really think Samurai has higher threat without LB?

[Garten]

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I have to applaud you because you are always polite and clear in you explanations, instead i usually lose my patience after posting too much in a thread XD
.. but..

The game also does not messes up the priority it is only demanding you to be knowledge with other job's action and animation as you should.

Today is onsal day, my fav map so i did a lot of pvp.. twice i have been killed by having full life+shield. Look this on one of my alts:



I was full life, i attacked a sam, noticed debuff, casted huton AND... still died xD

Dunno what to tell you, prob bad latency.. but still.. guess i'll die xD
(Dont misunderstand me, sometimes shield works, but sometimes.. not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

But i'm tired.. this argument has been beaten to death, i personally dislike OHKO move. As you said we'll see what they'll do in 7.0

(Edit: for clarity what happened was, was at full life, casted bunshin, recieved an attack as you see that dealed 0 dmg, took 880 damage, attacked the sam, casted huton, saw my hp bar full + a little shield, took zantetsuken in my face and died)

[Valence]

Machinest?

No. MCH rarely has a problem with samurais even though it still leaves you without bioblater options when a single SAM is in the blob you want to AoE pressure. Some jobs however, are non functional without AoE or cleaves.

Sorry to hear that your datacenter do not have a good caller calling which target to focus fire
It is beyond me if someone actually trying to focus Samurai in 72 men mode when there are other easier and higher priority target
For example, the warrior that Primal Render into enemy group (forgot they no longer has inner rage) should be focus fire before even bother with a Samurai

That's not the problem and you know it.

It is also pretty simple and safe to assume to every Samurai you saw potentially is LB ready after initial 2 mins.
It is also so veryeasy to bait Samurai's Chiten and focus fire him after Chiten duration is over
At 72 men environment, do you really think Samurai has higher threat without LB?

Your argument essentially assumes that there is barely one or two samurais to keep track of (without even talking how a single one present in an area can completely shut down any AoE pressure if people want to follow your advice).

What do you do when there is 10, 15 of them running amok? You're bound to hit one at some point, with certain jobs.

It's easy to bait ONE samurai with a shield job, but this is besides the point, once more.

[Divinemights]

Your argument essentially assumes that there is barely one or two samurais to keep track of (without even talking how a single one present in an area can completely shut down any AoE pressure if people want to follow your advice).
What do you do when there is 10, 15 of them running amok? You're bound to hit one at some point, with certain jobs.
It's easy to bait ONE samurai with a shield job, but this is besides the point, once more.

Your counter argument is giving me is typical artificial extreme situation commonly seem in debating
It is true between 4.1 to 4.5, over stacking of Mahinest resulting the extinction of Melee but it triggered the 50% damage reduction to Melee/Tank
This does not apply here since there is no clear fact that people over stacking Samurai and SE has static showing each job participation is even with current 6.1 PvP.

Beside, the discussion about DNC few posts earlier can easily counter this extreme example.
DRK used salted earth on your 15 Samurais (Samurais can't used Chiten during draw in animation)
WHM used Afflatus Purgation to accompany with Salted and Darkness
DNC come in with Contradance follow with DRGs and SMNs aoe bomb.
What can your 15 Samurai is going to do when trapped with animation lock?
DO you really think they have that much time to reach when entire DRK strategy only takes 5s to process?

Even for me, the only counter i can think of is to have WHM/BRD CC DRK to prevent Salted and Darkness so trapped melee can get out
You are welcome to share your counter strategy

[Vatom]

Did we really try to blame console for this PVP? yall wild this thread is sinking further as I read.

[Elfidan]

Your counter argument is giving me is typical artificial extreme situation commonly seem in debating

DRK used salted earth on your 15 Samurais (Samurais can't used Chiten during draw in animation)
WHM used Afflatus Purgation to accompany with Salted and Darkness
DNC come in with Contradance follow with DRGs and SMNs aoe bomb.
What can your 15 Samurai is going to do when trapped with animation lock?
DO you really think they have that much time to reach when entire DRK strategy only takes 5s to process?

This is the funniest reply I have ever read. "typical artificial extreme situation" then types this mess out.

[Meowdyj]

Little humble bump because it's once again why I lost battle high V and same SAM killing me twice. I even found out there's particular samurai's who like to emote over your dead body. You better hide your butts after that.

[Valence]

Your counter argument is giving me is typical artificial extreme situation commonly seem in debating

cf the reply from Efidan above. That's rich.

Also I don't know how it's on your datacenter, but in the FLs I play there is always a good amount of Samurai running all around, which is definitely above a handful, which means you always at least have one in the enemy blob with LB ready. Hardly an extreme situation, so let's drop the bad faith for a moment will you?

Beside, the discussion about DNC few posts earlier can easily counter this extreme example.
DRK used salted earth on your 15 Samurais (Samurais can't used Chiten during draw in animation)
WHM used Afflatus Purgation to accompany with Salted and Darkness
DNC come in with Contradance follow with DRGs and SMNs aoe bomb.
What can your 15 Samurai is going to do when trapped with animation lock?
DO you really think they have that much time to reach when entire DRK strategy only takes 5s to process?

Even for me, the only counter i can think of is to have WHM/BRD CC DRK to prevent Salted and Darkness so trapped melee can get out
You are welcome to share your counter strategy

Why are you moving the goalposts with this red herring? I never argued anything about DRK, WHM, DNC, DRG, SMN combinations... Go back to the point.

[Towa-Musa]

Did we really try to blame console for this PVP? yall wild this thread is sinking further as I read.

whos blaming console?

[Vatom]

whos blaming console?

Im paraphrasing but I don't think the game being for PC and console is the issue here