AT THIS POINT in World of Warcraft

[Raven2014]

This is how a discussion is supposed to go. A push and pull. I'd rather have a discussion and try to come to a mutual agreement off of 2 opposing opinions than to just hive it out and ignore the problems.

Honestly, there's probably more negativity on this forum because they know they can't even comment on reddit.

Except you CAN complain on reddit, I know because I did. But if you mean complain to a point it's part of your known personality then yes, it's generally not tolerated, for good reason.

The "you can't be negative on reddit" is as much as a myth as the "only praise is allowed" because neither are remotely true. Reddit is known as a meme and art factories. Like right now the entire first page of the sub are meme/art posts, and that's how it is like 99% of the time. The reason that sub have a "positive" vibe isn't because people worship Yoshi-P (if anything he's defended less vehemently then he is on here), it's simply due to the lack of no negative. Overall, it's just a sub where the majority of people know they're on there for "fun". Which if I can be so bold, kinda the natural state of mind when you play a game ... isn't it.

[R041]

Except you CAN complain on reddit, I know because I did. But if you mean complain to a point it's part of your known personality then yes, it's generally not tolerated, for good reason.

The "you can't be negative on reddit" is as much as a myth as the "only praise is allowed" because neither are remotely true. Reddit is known as a meme and art factories. Like right now the entire first page of the sub are meme/art posts, and that's how it is like 99% of the time. The reason that sub have a "positive" vibe isn't because people worship Yoshi-P (if anything he's defended less vehemently then he is on here), it's simply due to the lack of no negative. Overall, it's just a sub where the majority of people know they're on there for "fun". Which if I can be so bold, kinda the natural state of mind when you play a game ... isn't it.

I'll allow you the luxury to believe that. We can agree to disagree.

[Raven2014]

I'll allow you the luxury to believe that. We can agree to disagree.

Nah man, it's not a luxury. It's easy to believe in fact because you don't have to spend the effort to make it up.

[R041]

Nah man, it's not a luxury. It's easy to believe in fact because you don't have to spend the effort to make it up.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Nah man, it's not a luxury. It's easy to believe in fact because you don't have to spend the effort to make it up.

Just gave the Reddit a visit.
Can Confirm, good times.
Great Memes, and man some pretty Fanarts <3



I should start going there more often, could use a Break from this miserable place.

[EnnCee]

most of ffxiv players are actually in the game and playing it and not on the forums posting. I happened to see this when I logged in looking for responses to the new deep dungeon which is frustrating and engaging at the same time. maybe some few of you have forgotten how wow treated their workers, devs, and player base. I haven't. it will be a long time before I relax my opinion of wow.

people who whinge about ffxiv not being difficult enough obviously just hang around on the perifery; they need to go volunteer for a few savages, extremes, etc. that's honestly content that I will never see because I'm the casual who finds tons to do in the game, appreciates the active opportunities to improve my gameplay in deep dungeons, and believes the poster above who described DF as something sounding like that awful patch that gave us "go nowhere" korthia.

I have kept one wow subscription active since beta because wow handed me opportunities for good friends and good times, but sentimentality won't make wow better. until they get rid of bobby kotick and make sure debiasi stays far away, I won't be heading back.

[rainichan]

What? Plenty of groups run different paths for different reasons in WoW.. Also, mobs roam and have different abilities to counter different comps. Depending on your general speed, and if you're single target or AoE you may need to go a different path.. Or if you have a stealth, then you can take advantage of that in certain scenarios.

Did you play recently, or are these more opinions based on decade old 'Other MMO' info comparing it to XIV currently? I see a lot of that.

XIV has none of that anymore. You shove a hammer straight into your skull and walk a straight line.

You're misreading my post. I'm not talking about WoW having that problem, I'm talking about XIV having that problem.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I seriously don’t get why Yoshi-P and the dev team gets placed on an untouchable pedestal though. They have and will get things wrong, sometimes repeatedly.

To this day, Im still lost. What Pedestal?
YoshiP has never been Untouchable, he has gotten Many things wrong and have been called out for it.

[AwesomeJr44]

In-game is dead half the time, from what I hear lately.

Youtube? What few content creators I still follow/have yet to unfollow, seem to all be providing less and less favorable words for XIV.

• CiderSpider just released a video regarding the abysmal relic design this expansion, in fact.
• MisshapenChair long stopped really making content for XIV.
• Lucy Pyre has barely made any real content for it outside of streaming it now and then.
• I've heard Zepla has even decided to "take a break", citing she feels she doesn't really need to come back regardless.
• Zack? Haven't heard a peep out of him regarding FFXIV.
• Nixxiom and many other WoW creators who began doing XIV content for a while during SL stopped, and have returned to WoW.

I could go on, but that's just looking at my feed thus far.

The mainsub for XIV is over-moderated to hell, everyone who seriously uses it and isn't a brainwashed cultist knows they rip down anything even remotely "negative" in perception to the game, regardless of how negative - if at all - it even is.

TalesfromDF, before I stopped following it, was cannibalizing itself due to a number of people quitting, getting tired of the crappy attitudes people have in the community to the point of blowing up at them in-game, or had mainsub simps jumping over being aggro about things that most people who were active in the sub found ridiculous at the best of times, let alone in the state the game's in.

Everywhere I frequent - even on Twitter, of all places, where I don't even really follow any XIV content makers or XIV-heavy accounts anymore! - is showing more and more frustration, dissatisfaction, or outright exhaustion for XIV lately. It certainly exists, even in places I don't expect, and I don't even go out of my way to look for it.

Hells, even WoW's GD forum has a number of XIV refugees often talking about their dissatisfaction with or distaste with the game, every time some XIV shill or XIV/WoW forum troll comes in trying to Jehovah's Witness about the game on an entirely different MMO's forum.

Thank you for this absolute demolition of the supposed 'majoritah'. I shall be yoinking this for later use.

[R041]

You're misreading my post. I'm not talking about WoW having that problem, I'm talking about XIV having that problem.

My bad.

I guess what you're saying is, XIV can't do what WoW can in this regard. Because XIV has no real mechanical diversity. Which I agree with, it would be very difficult for XIV to even attempt it.

But that's just a byproduct of them washing everything, which in itself is frustrating. :/