Yoshi-P lied

[Anselmet]

if people said the were never easier ? totally fair. but lazier ? Making each zone drop a singular item through fates which you need an average of 5-10 hours to farm per drop and from which you need one from every expansion zone is NOT more design work than the hildibrand questline that we got. people can argue the game needs more grindy content with meaningfull rewards as a sort of long term activity, i would even concede that people that do so would have a valid point, but things like island sanctuary are not "less work" than adding the next bozja just because it doesn't keep people grinding for just as long. the relics aren't any lazier than most arr/heavensward steps just because they take 1500 tomestomes per step instead of forcing you to run old primals 200 times. the real difference is that one took 50 hours if you were quick and the other takes 6 of actively playing casually, but this is nearly never what these threads discuss.

I'm going to likely be in the minority when I say Bozja is a good example of what they did with their content. It was a zone not just focused on the relic but allowed us to grind for mounts, haircuts, glamour etc. They used those two zones to their advantage to keep content going for people. Now, I don't want them in the slightest to add some of the steps to this relic weapon, because it was honestly awful. What would be good is to keep us engage with what they have now in the game and what they currently have. Do I want to run Hells Lid a bunch of times? Anti tower? No, but they can have us still re engage with older content and make it fun. I don't want to say they're lazy, they are likely very busy and stretched thin. However even if I gotta do some quests in Island Sanctuary to get some specialized ore for a few hours, then okay, good. Island Sanctuary is now being utilitized. Oh, did Nanamo find a special liquid in criterion for us after clearing? Yes, wonderful people are reengaging this content too. Oh and there is a new hat that Viera and Hrothgars can wear as well. Wow here is a catalyst finally needed after clearing EO! Wonderful and I worked on my weapon there as well.

I am not expecting them to make a new Bozja and I had fun doing this content. The issue is, I have no reason to keep doing this content!!! That is honestly the biggest problem. They have the content so use it. They have means to create things for it, but they aren't.

[Akiudo]

I am not expecting them to make a new Bozja and I had fun doing this content. The issue is, I have no reason to keep doing this content!!! That is honestly the biggest problem. They have the content so use it. They have means to create things for it, but they aren't.

i totally agree, there are a lot of situations where i think they could (and should) better utilize old content, if for no other reason than to save on actual development time which can than be used elsewhere.


like i said, mostly wanted to use your argument as a starting point to illustrate why i dislike people using the "lazyness" or even "time/recources" argument because 9/10 it ends with "if the devs just worked harder/cared more we would have longer lasting content" and it's just not as easy as that.

i mean just coming back to the op the main complaint really is "it's over to fast", but outside of the length of the mainstory quest (which hasn't been meaningfully longer than what we got in 6.3 since at least stormblood) that has literally nothing to do with the kind of content that we got. like, they could have easily added some weekly reward (and with "added some weekly reward" i really mean "timegate getting the rewards allready there) to variant/criterion dungeons to keep them "interesting" for more time, the relic could take 5, 10 times longer while changing nothing but the number of tomestones required and if we come back to "island sanctuary is bad" than it still took time, like if they did not design island sanctuary at all than surely they could have added a quest or two extra per patch cycle instead (not really, different teams and all but let's just say they ditched the guys that designed island sanctuary and highered another 2 or 3 quest designers instead).

i'm totally on board with utilizing older content better, because yes that is one aspect where i often feel they do fall short. I just wished that the people that feel they have nothing to do would discuss the whole "no long term content" thing as an actual failure design choice wise and not as a result of the devs being shortstaffed/underfunded/overworked/lazy/uncaring/"pick your adjective of choice that makes the devs or square enix as an organization sound shitty" because that at most is tertiary to the actual situation.

[Deceptus]

I'm going to likely be in the minority when I say Bozja is a good example of what they did with their content. It was a zone not just focused on the relic but allowed us to grind for mounts, haircuts, glamour etc. They used those two zones to their advantage to keep content going for people. Now, I don't want them in the slightest to add some of the steps to this relic weapon, because it was honestly awful. What would be good is to keep us engage with what they have now in the game and what they currently have. Do I want to run Hells Lid a bunch of times? Anti tower? No, but they can have us still re engage with older content and make it fun. I don't want to say they're lazy, they are likely very busy and stretched thin. However even if I gotta do some quests in Island Sanctuary to get some specialized ore for a few hours, then okay, good. Island Sanctuary is now being utilitized. Oh, did Nanamo find a special liquid in criterion for us after clearing? Yes, wonderful people are reengaging this content too. Oh and there is a new hat that Viera and Hrothgars can wear as well. Wow here is a catalyst finally needed after clearing EO! Wonderful and I worked on my weapon there as well.

I am not expecting them to make a new Bozja and I had fun doing this content. The issue is, I have no reason to keep doing this content!!! That is honestly the biggest problem. They have the content so use it. They have means to create things for it, but they aren't.

The problem with bozja is they put all of those incentives behind massive RNG grinds or 1% RNG drops.

Relic mats were more efficient OUTSIDE of bozja and still are to this day.