Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[Imora]

I like it.

Instead of having to grind out 1500 tomestones worth of ivalice, I can get it from somewhere I like.

I'm betting most of the people unhappy with the step are the same ones crying they can't force people to do puppets bunker.

[4clubbedace]

Heres the thing, based on how "grinds" are anyways, youd likely be farming the same things at the same rate for item drops the way you get tomes.

Except instead of doing it for old content where i dont have all my buttons and dont care , i can at least do the new deep dungeon, EW fates for gems, or PVP, aka stuff id rather do anyways.

[RyuDragnier]

I think everyone is missing the point. Many are not upset over the fact it's an easy step, they are mad because of how lazy it was implemented. They didn't even bother to add a new token for the 1500 whatever points, it was super lazy and if anything I feel bad for the poor animators who had to carry the bulk of the 6.35 update.

ARR THAVNAIRIAN MISTS. The exact same way, the exact same method, also uncapped tomestones.

[Seraphor]

I like it.

Instead of having to grind out 1500 tomestones worth of ivalice, I can get it from somewhere I like.

I'm betting most of the people unhappy with the step are the same ones crying they can't force people to do puppets bunker.

I don't care about forcing anyone to do anything, there should be options. But this is just insanely lazy.
It's alright for the first step of a relic, but not for every stage. You literally log in on patch day, pay your 1500 tomestones you've already banked, and you're finished.
There is no relic weapon, you're literally just buying it.

If there was literally any system that was more involved, such as Moogle tomestones that requires you to run any of a selection of duties, it would have been more interesting. And if it was more than just one single step too, so that you felt you were actually engaging with some kind of novel system.

For example, if I were to design it, at a minimum, I would go with something like...

Step 1 (one time only): To find Pupu's friend you need to search for clues of things that are 'out of this world', gather 'out of this world' items to see if we can deduce a pattern and identify things that may be 'out of this world'.
Collect 5 'Otherworldly Mineral's
Obtained by: Drops from Nier Raids, Can be bought from Omicron Bicolour Gemstone vendor for 100 BG's.
You can choose which route you take, or can mix and match as necessary. Incentivises (doesn't force) running Nier raids, contributing to filling queues.

Step 2 (one time only): Collect materials to produce Salamanderville.
Collect 3 unique items.
Obtained by: One drops from Mhachi Raids, one drops from The Sil'dihn Subterrane, one can be bought with Crafter/Gatherer White Scripts, all of them can be bought for 500 Tomestones of Astronomy each.
Incentivises Mhachi raids, Variant dungeons, and involves crafting/gathering, but there's also the option to just dump Astronomy as well.

Step 3 (repeatable, per weapon):
Collect 5 'Complementary Chondrite's
Obtained by: Drops from 'Battle on the Big Bridge', 'Battle in the Big Keep' or 'Kugane Ohashi', Can be bought for 200 Tomestones of Astronomy.
You can choose which route you take, or can mix and match as necessary. Incentivises running Gilgamesh trials, contributing to filling queues and helping others complete the prerequisite quests.

[IkaraGreydancer]

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know/understand.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

I can get the tomes in any manner I see fit, not one given to me forcing me to do content I don't want (15 CT runs). Simple

People say the step lacks options yet in reality that false as tomes come from various different content. Some may get them from trials, others may get them strictly from Crystaline

[TaleraRistain]

ARR THAVNAIRIAN MISTS. The exact same way, the exact same method, also uncapped tomestones.

IIRC they weren't uncapped at that time. But it's a very similar step.

[RyuDragnier]

IIRC they weren't uncapped at that time. But it's a very similar step.

It's why I'm not really understanding the complaints, with the same people also pointing at the ARR relic steps as good design. This is literally the exact same 2nd step as ARR's relic.

[seolhyun]

the people that like this step are the ones who pay a sub to stand around afk in town. they dont want to actually play the game. eureka/bozja was actual new content and we lost it for useless goofy island.

[Raven2014]

the people that like this step are the ones who pay a sub to stand around afk in town. they dont want to actually play the game. eureka/bozja was actual new content and we lost it for useless goofy island.

Sure, standing AFK in town will also magically give them 1500 tome.

[IkaraGreydancer]

the people that like this step are the ones who pay a sub to stand around afk in town. they dont want to actually play the game. eureka/bozja was actual new content and we lost it for useless goofy island.

Ah yes the classic "if you like something I don't like you must be *insert goofy remark*...come on now. It's possible for active players to like the step. I get to farm tomes as I farm for Orthos weps. 2 birds 1 stone. And news flash afking won't get me either of those.

Eureka n Boz are still there if you want something to do