Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[Supersnow845]

I mean it just comes down to every piece of content is supposed to have a time element attached to it and a corresponding reward, would anyone have been happy if you could buy Cassie earring with pagos crystals or necromancer was handed out to anyone who could reach level 50

This step just destroys past norms around the structure of a particular piece of content for no good reason in a time we are already struggling for content

You can prefer it for whatever reason but it’s breaking an established and well liked norm for no reason and reduces playtime in the process in a time we are already short on things to do (and no just substituting one long relic for doing all 19 doesn’t count)

[Deceptus]

would anyone have been happy if you could buy Cassie earring with pagos crystals )

High enough crystal cound and I absolutely would because years after the fact, killing the NM numerous times and I still haven't gotten it. RNG sucks, 1% RNG sucks even worse.

[Supersnow845]

High enough crystal cound and I absolutely would because years after the fact, killing the NM numerous times and I still haven't gotten it. RNG sucks, 1% RNG sucks even worse.

Look I may be biased because I have Cassie (to be fair it took hundreds of kills) but I like that RNG because Cassie is not required for any content at all, on the most optimal class for haste at 70, Cassie and the speed belt together add like 0.7% damage

Maybe they could buff the bonus magecite item drop rates because 5/2 is legit the single most useful upgrade in eureka (even more than elemental armour) but I think Cassie and the speed belt are fine as is

[TomsYoungerBro]

This argument has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the current topic.

But it does...Not sure why you can't wrap your head around it. A relic's value is not just from the step you acquire it from, but also from every step preceding it. For example, The current relic IS NOT worth 1500 astronomy tomes. It is worth 3000. Why? Because you have to spend 1500 tomes to get the first step, then another 1500 tomes to do the second step. Therefore, every step of the relic has an impact in value of the final step....Which is BiS.

So you are not grinding for an inferior weapon. You are grinding out a step towards the eventual best weapon in the expansion.

[EliaStormblade]

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know/understand.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

Because I don't like the historical alternative?

I like my grinds to actually mean something, so if you can't add a meaningful grind to it other than "complete 50 fates from 3 expansions ago" or "run this 2+ year old alliance raid a dozen times because LMAOOO just do it", then I'm not going to balk at 1500 tomestones as the alternative.

Now if you want to say "relic acquisition should be more compelling in general," I'm all on board with that. But you won't see me weeping at this step not being like the others from previous expansions.

[Toutatis]

I don’t like grinds and being tied to doing content I don’t like. While the Bozja area was fun and had varied engagements and things like Castrum and Delubrum to break the monotony, Eureka was dreadful. I hated being stuck in that area. You could also level up doing Bozja. However, I only did 1 weapon. That was enough Bozja.

At least with the current quests, I can spend my time doing content I like instead of doing x zillion old fates or running this old dungeon ad nauseam. This is a game, I play because I have fun. I have no fun running the same thing over and over.

[RyuDragnier]

You know, I didn't enjoy running Void Ark 15 times, but I would gladly run Orbonne 50 times for a relic.

I'm surprised people are even complaining about the 2nd step. A reminder of what the 2nd steps have been so far.

ARR: Buy 3 Thavnairian Mists.
HW: Complete 10 dungeons with the weapon equipped.
SB: Do some NMs (Fates in Eureka) for Protean Crystals and then beat Pazuzu (is he up?).
ShB: Do HW FATEs (or Fates and Critical engagements in the 3 parts of 1st Bozja zone, you insane person) for 10 of 3 different kinds of drops.

If you look at that, ARR and HW, which Yoshi-P said this would be the equivalent grind of, are insanely easy for 2nd step. It's the 3rd step you all should fear...for that was the Atma and Unidentified Grinds. Remember, Atma was not guaranteed originally from FATEs. Unidentified had to be gotten from the ARR and HW Tribe quests, and Alex SAVAGE token drops, and I think you could also get some from the what was then current uncapped tomestones originally. You needed 10 of 4 different kinds of items. In other words, massive grinds.

[Raoabolic]

I think everyone is missing the point. Many are not upset over the fact it's an easy step, they are mad because of how lazy it was implemented. They didn't even bother to add a new token for the 1500 whatever points, it was super lazy and if anything I feel bad for the poor animators who had to carry the bulk of the 6.35 update.

[hobostew]

I think everyone is missing the point. Many are not upset over the fact it's an easy step, they are mad because of how lazy it was implemented. They didn't even bother to add a new token for the 1500 whatever points, it was super lazy and if anything I feel bad for the poor animators who had to carry the bulk of the 6.35 update.

On top of this it was over before it even launched. What do you even do now? Guess I better learn to enjoy /beesknees.

[Raoabolic]

On top of this it was over before it even launched. What do you even do now? Guess I better learn to enjoy /beesknees.

I just realized I have 16 of those stupid things in my chocobo saddlebag. It really was over before it began. I guess I can ignore roulettes again, lmao.

edit: whoops, nevermind. It actually does require a different token. Such much for cheesing this step, lol.