I have a question for the "community".

[Raven2014]

2) The people complaining right now are the ones unhappy, while the people who are currently happy have no use for feedback. There is not enough motivation for the average person to take the time to make positive feedback if they already have what they want. However, if you are unhappy, you may take the time to write a complaint in a hope that it'll be heard and the problem will be fixed. This is not something you can change simply by wishing it was so. This is basic human nature and to try and fight that is foolish.

Which is the problem? Foolish, I don't think so, that sound more like an excuse though. Like I said the goal is to raise awareness, whether we gonna do something about is a different matter. Your last sentence above is why everyone is expert at pointing out the problem, but not many willing to take part in a solution.

If you still see fellow players who are unhappy with the current state of the game as 'regular complainers' who are also part of an 'issue',

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Despite your claims to the contrary, this thread really does seem like a 'complaining about complainers' thread.

It's up to you to take it however you want. I already stated that this thread isn't about "the complainers", and I meant it. But given the nature of the topic, it's impossible to NOT mention them at all. And if just by the mere act of mentioning people from the other side meant I can't stop talking about them ... well, if that's how you see thing, it can't be help. I just hope this thread won't devolve into another one of the gazillion thread trading blame between my side and your side.

To be clear, my opinion about the complainers before, during, and after this thread does not and probably will not change. But that's not what this thread is about, which you seem to insist it for some reason. This is not about the people I don't share the same opinion, this is about realizing the fact "they" are not the only source of the problem (and trust me before today oh how strongly I believe in that). It's about people like me - who disagree with them - are as much part of the issue. Simply due to the fact we have not been doing our party to help the dev better informed, usually because we fall back on the same excuse that you just wrote above.




Again, using politic as an example. The majority of the talk is about blame trading without any one side want to acknowledge their own problem. So here, someone decide to say "hey, instead of keep talking about the other party issue, how about we do some self-reflection?". But even if that goal is intended, as long as the topic is politic itself, you would be essentially asking for the impossible to complete embargo the mentioning of the opposite party in under any circumstance. Like I said, some token mentioned as a reference is un-avoidable, after all if you don't have something to compare to, how can you even self-reflect. But if you or the majority people feel there is no chance of doing that without derail the thread into the old rabbithole, then too bad. I'll just withdraw from the thread in that case, because like I said, I had said more than enough on that particular issue in the other gazillion threads over the years, and I don't plan to do it again in this particular thread.