Paired Threads: What would it take to make Heaker kits "complex/interesting"?

[ty_taurus]

Guys don't do the 'what if tanks had 111111' thing, I tried that one in the past and certain parties said they'd 'actually quite like that, ship it' (or something to that effect). Whatever ridiculous example of 'what if the other roles were as vacuous as healers design wise' you can come up with, it seems there's gonna be at least one person who will come up and say 'yeh I do want that and sod the rest of the people who play the class who wanted to have a skill ceiling of any kind'

Also iirc you could hold aggro in SB with just Provoke and Shirk, without even attacking. If you could do it THEN, you definitely can do it NOW



Literally had tanks say this in P8S parties. 6min window comes up during a TB and they say 'I ain't mitigating that shit during my pot, I'm pressing LD for it' and then proceed to die because no actual mit on the TB = bleed ticking for like 40k per tick. But they get to keep getting new stuff like Shadowbringer, Primal Rend, Confiteor, and we don't get to have eg Purgation, Meltdown, idk PK Starstorm for AST and [greek sounding word] for SGE?

I genuinely believe that move would kill the game actually. There are too many big players that main tank and would rip the game a new one for doing that to tanks, probably leave and create a chain reaction of content viewers also leaving in their wake. I don't know to what extent, but it would damage the game's reputation far more than ruining healers ever could.

[Semirhage]

I genuinely believe that move would kill the game actually. There are too many big players that main tank and would rip the game a new one for doing that to tanks, probably leave and create a chain reaction of content viewers also leaving in their wake. I don't know to what extent, but it would damage the game's reputation far more than ruining healers ever could.

Yeah, MMO healer communities tend to have this dichotomy where people view them as either 1. Princess Teaparty, the one with the quiet voice on VC who's generally pleasant, hardly ever complains, and is just here to heal and glam or 2. Snarly Saltqueen, always complaining about everything and telling everyone to shut up and stop taking damage.

Problem is, neither of these stereotypes is conducive to being taken seriously. If the population sees you as the first, they just kind of...gloss over whatever you were complaining about because it was an anomaly. Or if you do it too much, they recategorize you as #2, and pfffffff 2 just complains about everything there's no reason to take them seriously.

I genuinely believe healer is the hardest role in an MMO to get momentum on just because most people don't care about them, so their mains' complaints get distorted by such perceptions.

[ForsakenRoe]

Yeah, MMO healer communities tend to have this dichotomy where people view them as either 1. Princess Teaparty, the one with the quiet voice on VC who's generally pleasant, hardly ever complains, and is just here to heal and glam or 2. Snarly Saltqueen, always complaining about everything and telling everyone to shut up and stop taking damage.

Problem is, neither of these stereotypes is conducive to being taken seriously. If the population sees you as the first, they just kind of...gloss over whatever you were complaining about because it was an anomaly. Or if you do it too much, they recategorize you as #2, and pfffffff 2 just complains about everything there's no reason to take them seriously.

I genuinely believe healer is the hardest role in an MMO to get momentum on just because most people don't care about them, so their mains' complaints get distorted by such perceptions.

Funny, cos after enough people who aren't actually a 2, get labelled as a 2 and ignored, and they leave the role because they're ignored so much, THEN people decide to pay attention. When it starts affecting THEM and THEIR fill times for stuff in PF.

I really hope something gets asked about it at PAX, we're still far enough out from the expansion for some solid design direction changes (if they don't yet realize the scale of the changes needed, somehow). And if a question is asked about it and the response is a meek middling 'we will look at the data' or any variation of 'we think this design we are doing now will work so we will continue with it' I hope to several gods that people in the crowd will boo the hell out of them and cause a PR nightmare about it to force their hand on the matter

[Allegor]

Funny, cos after enough people who aren't actually a 2, get labelled as a 2 and ignored, and they leave the role because they're ignored so much, THEN people decide to pay attention. When it starts affecting THEM and THEIR fill times for stuff in PF.

And that's exactly the problem. The healer role, from casual to endgame level, isn't currently designed for people who like to play healer/support roles, they're designed for people who don't want to play one but are either "taking one for the team" or just want faster queues/to be carried.