Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[OziAuros]

Because I wasn't being rude.

Thankfully neither were they. They didn't just straight up tell me to leave and grab a bunch of their "bouncers" and surround me or other horror stories I have heard. They asked nicely, and I responded nicely that I had no intention of leaving.

I'm sure one or more of them probably kept an eye on me, but I never interacted with their courtesans. All I ever did was chat with my friends that I went to the venue with, and danced a bit on the floor. They had no reason to ask me to leave for that, and so I chose to stand my ground, but not do it in a way that made a scene or give credence to their complaint towards me. Thankfully nothing came of it. Stigma against Lalafells isn't going to get better by Lalafells making a scene and acting like the spoiled children they claim to not be, but likewise nothing will ever change if Lalafells just sit there and take the verbal abuse either. There is a constructive middle-ground somewhere.

If you're being asked to leave, the correct response is to leave. There's no nuance to that. It's not your call to determine whether or not you're okay in somebody else's space. You don't get to determine what reasons they're allowed to have to want someone gone. They don't need a reason to begin with.

[Priddy]

Because I wasn't being rude.

You're inherently being rude by staying in someone's property when they don't want you there, full stop. Unfortunately the game lacks a method of kicking/banning players from your own property, but if it did exist, it would be completely fine for them to kick you. It doesn't necessarily mean that they had a good reason to do it, and it's fine to be annoyed by it, but it is always someone's right to exclude you from their own space.

[Midare]

Right, so what you actually mean to say is that you don't want any item in-game that can be misused or misconstrued in any way whatsoever? Got it.

Now you're saying words I didn't say. Of course anything can and will be misconstrued. In the case of this item it's far too on the nose to give people who conflate height with age the exact kind of ammo they want while they continue to ignore the constant evidence in the story and Yoshi-P's own words.

The purpose of complaining about the complaint is to show disagreement with the people wanting to take something away from the people who actually like it

If you've actually read the responses, you'll see it's been nothing but people complaining about the complaint itself and not mentioning at all whether the item should remain or not. But hey, that would require you seeing things in a fair light and clearly, that's not your goal here.

the fact that you think I'm conflating the two is just mind boggling to me. Since when did I say they're synonymous?

I didn't think that, you've said it, in fact, you're saying it again. You're doubling down by calling it "toddler-like". Lalafell are short and cute, like a chibi, if you are conflating that with toddlers, that is, once again, a you issue.

You don't get to police how other people choose to show their disagreement as long as it isn't abusive or harassment.

Yet this whole exchange started because you took issue with a snarky remark on my part. Again, your double standards, they're showing.

There's no double standard here, you're just seemingly incapable of seeing why you're defending the wrong perspective.

And what exactly makes you think you're right? We're already seeing it here. The demeaning comments, people telling others they should fantasia to "correct the mistake" that is playing a lalafell. But no, please, tell me more about how you don't have any double standards and you totally don't have an issue with people simply asking to not give ammo to people like that.

Why should this item be taken away from people who do like it just because some of you don't?

...Which is why I don't think it should be removed, but its name and description tweaked. I said this at least three times, twice directly at you.

If you want a different high chair, ask for a different high chair and stop being so selfish and egotistical as to expect things to be changed to suit your tastes.
It appears to be your double standards that are showing.

I did... but you didn't bother reading that, you instead jumped to police me over a snarky remark instead of policing the people passing ad-hominems are proper arguments. But yeah, no double standards here.

[Tsurayu]

You're inherently being rude by staying in someone's property when they don't want you there, full stop. Unfortunately the game lacks a method of kicking/banning players from your own property, but if it did exist, it would be completely fine for them to kick you. It doesn't necessarily mean that they had a good reason to do it, and it's fine to be annoyed by it, but it is always someone's right to exclude you from their own space.

I don't disagree with that, but I do feel you somewhat forfeit your ability to be upset about random people being on your property when you decide to make it a public venue. Now obviously that doesn't mean you should let anarchy reign or anything like that, but to ask someone to leave based solely on their race making someone(s) uncomfortable who never interacted with you? I take issue with that. Like I said, if they kept pressing the issue I would have left, but I decided to see how the situation played out. I know that was a risk, but I wanted it to be known, in a polite manner, that I didn't appreciate being asked to leave for what I felt was a poor reason.

[OziAuros]

I don't disagree with that, but I do feel you somewhat forfeit your ability to be upset about random people being on your property when you decide to make it a public venue. Now obviously that doesn't mean you should let anarchy reign or anything like that, but to ask someone to leave based solely on their race making someone(s) uncomfortable who never interacted with you? I take issue with that. Like I said, if they kept pressing the issue I would have left, but I decided to see how the situation played out. I know that was a risk, but I wanted it to be known, in a polite manner, that I didn't appreciate being asked to leave for what I felt was a poor reason.

A venue invites people over for a specific purpose. They're public in the same way that a real life venue is public, and surprise, the same objections to that kind of behavior applies. If you're asked to leave a Wendy's, even if you're in the middle of eating your McWhopper, you should go. What their reasoning is, or what you think their reasoning is, does not matter. Refusing on the grounds of MUH RIGHTS is super wrong.

[Travesty]

In this insane age of safe spaces and gender dysphoria, everyone has lost their sense of humour. If someone pats my lala's head I demand a cookie and kick their shins if they don't.
I don't see what the big deal is with the baby chair. Some Lalas I see take comfort sitting on friends laps who hug them. I understand the OP's position, but on the other hand, the game is overflowing in RP. As long as sickos don't do anything perverse with Lalas, i don't see the harm. I am more offended by women being auctioned off so people can take nude doctored pictures of them, than a high chair. To me that is extremely creepy and degrading to women.

This has nothing to do with leftism. I'm extremely politically left-leaning, and this outrage is ridiculous. This has to do with terminally-online people who have difficulty separating their own identity with that of a video game character, and who take jokes about those characters as insults to their real life identity.

[Tsurayu]

A venue invites people over for a specific purpose. They're public in the same way that a real life venue is public, and surprise, the same objections to that kind of behavior applies. If you're asked to leave a Wendy's, even if you're in the middle of eating your McWhopper, you should go. What their reasoning is, or what you think their reasoning is, does not matter. Refusing on the grounds of MUH RIGHTS is super wrong.

But we've seen examples of that in real life where it did matter and business have even been fined for their behavior towards customers. That's an extreme example and isn't really analogous with an in-game venue, but the point is it's not necessarily okay to simply ask someone to leave.

I will fully admit in my particular scenario, if the situation had escalated I would have been in the wrong. 100%. I know that, and that's why I knew I was taking a risk by responding the way I did, but I felt it was worth taking. And like I've said, if they would have pressed the issue I would have left knowing full well the eventual outcome would have been me getting reported and a GM would have sided with the venue in this situation. But I willing chose to see how the situation played out knowing that the person who DMd me asked me kindly to leave rather than harass me, and I responded to them civilly, in kind, rather than throwing a temper tantrum. I went about my business the rest of that evening chatting with my friends and dancing and the situation, if you want to call it that, never escalated. That's the way it should have been from the get-go.

[BeoCat]

Posting in this goldmine of a thread my first ever forum post. Also if it hasn't been already said: The absolute state of NA FFXIV community.
If they do change it, i hope they leave us in EU out of it.

[OziAuros]

I will fully admit in my particular scenario, if the situation had escalated I would have been in the wrong.

Nonono, you were wrong the moment you said no. No nuance to this. You were told you weren't welcome on somebody else's property. You leave. In your response, you even acknowledge that a GM would not have been on your side about this. You still pushed it. You decided, as an unwelcome guest, to continue to make people around you uneasy. That is not okay.

[NamiRocket]

There is no meaningful discussion to be found here. All I see is name calling and belittling. Think you should look in the mirror.

If your main concern was about not giving haters ammunition to use against lalafell players, then making this thread probably wasn't the brightest idea.