Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[Tsurayu]

You're inherently being rude by staying in someone's property when they don't want you there, full stop. Unfortunately the game lacks a method of kicking/banning players from your own property, but if it did exist, it would be completely fine for them to kick you. It doesn't necessarily mean that they had a good reason to do it, and it's fine to be annoyed by it, but it is always someone's right to exclude you from their own space.

I don't disagree with that, but I do feel you somewhat forfeit your ability to be upset about random people being on your property when you decide to make it a public venue. Now obviously that doesn't mean you should let anarchy reign or anything like that, but to ask someone to leave based solely on their race making someone(s) uncomfortable who never interacted with you? I take issue with that. Like I said, if they kept pressing the issue I would have left, but I decided to see how the situation played out. I know that was a risk, but I wanted it to be known, in a polite manner, that I didn't appreciate being asked to leave for what I felt was a poor reason.

[OziAuros]

I don't disagree with that, but I do feel you somewhat forfeit your ability to be upset about random people being on your property when you decide to make it a public venue. Now obviously that doesn't mean you should let anarchy reign or anything like that, but to ask someone to leave based solely on their race making someone(s) uncomfortable who never interacted with you? I take issue with that. Like I said, if they kept pressing the issue I would have left, but I decided to see how the situation played out. I know that was a risk, but I wanted it to be known, in a polite manner, that I didn't appreciate being asked to leave for what I felt was a poor reason.

A venue invites people over for a specific purpose. They're public in the same way that a real life venue is public, and surprise, the same objections to that kind of behavior applies. If you're asked to leave a Wendy's, even if you're in the middle of eating your McWhopper, you should go. What their reasoning is, or what you think their reasoning is, does not matter. Refusing on the grounds of MUH RIGHTS is super wrong.

[Tsurayu]

A venue invites people over for a specific purpose. They're public in the same way that a real life venue is public, and surprise, the same objections to that kind of behavior applies. If you're asked to leave a Wendy's, even if you're in the middle of eating your McWhopper, you should go. What their reasoning is, or what you think their reasoning is, does not matter. Refusing on the grounds of MUH RIGHTS is super wrong.

But we've seen examples of that in real life where it did matter and business have even been fined for their behavior towards customers. That's an extreme example and isn't really analogous with an in-game venue, but the point is it's not necessarily okay to simply ask someone to leave.

I will fully admit in my particular scenario, if the situation had escalated I would have been in the wrong. 100%. I know that, and that's why I knew I was taking a risk by responding the way I did, but I felt it was worth taking. And like I've said, if they would have pressed the issue I would have left knowing full well the eventual outcome would have been me getting reported and a GM would have sided with the venue in this situation. But I willing chose to see how the situation played out knowing that the person who DMd me asked me kindly to leave rather than harass me, and I responded to them civilly, in kind, rather than throwing a temper tantrum. I went about my business the rest of that evening chatting with my friends and dancing and the situation, if you want to call it that, never escalated. That's the way it should have been from the get-go.

[BeoCat]

Posting in this goldmine of a thread my first ever forum post. Also if it hasn't been already said: The absolute state of NA FFXIV community.
If they do change it, i hope they leave us in EU out of it.

[OziAuros]

I will fully admit in my particular scenario, if the situation had escalated I would have been in the wrong.

Nonono, you were wrong the moment you said no. No nuance to this. You were told you weren't welcome on somebody else's property. You leave. In your response, you even acknowledge that a GM would not have been on your side about this. You still pushed it. You decided, as an unwelcome guest, to continue to make people around you uneasy. That is not okay.

[Kneecap_Stabber]

I like the chair, it's cute!! People gotta stop being offended by everything

[Pratini]

I like the chair, it's cute!! People gotta stop being offended by everything

I'm glad we can still find some normal people in this community.

[OziAuros]

I like the chair, it's cute!! People gotta stop being offended by everything

Another lalafell enjoyer with the right idea. Rock on, Kneecap Stabber.

[BRVV]

I don't know if the game thinks Lalas are children or not. Sometimes they are treated like adults, with specific characters & having jobs, but the emotes and tooltips like the high chair say otherwise. I'm more confused about that aspect. Keep in mind that this is the game that changed the name of "beast tribes" because that is hurtful to npcs. Maybe they should decide what a Lalachild and a Lalaadult actually are.

I personally wouldn't mind either way. Being a cute potatoe :3

[TsunderKat]

It's dyable but still don't fit at my desk /shrug. Where the Loiseaux chair?