Inevitable Job Simplifications?

[Renathras]

Okay, let me put it in simple terms, and then just...I dunno, stop replying to me and I'll bow out and let you believe...whatever it is you want to believe and not bother with this thread further:

1) The Job works - it does good DPS, and has both party buffs and Raise utility that make it viable in all content, including double Caster clears of the hardest fights in the game.

2) The Job is understandable - it doesn't require someone to be a theorycrafter just to figure out what they should be doing, and the progression is understandable from level 1 to level 90, so players can understand and effectively make use of the new skills they get as they level.

3) The Job isn't clunky - its systems all work and are effective at what they do. Really the only at all clunky thing is using Carby's shield, and Carby should be doing SOMETHING else (Ruin 2 instant casts or something), but the rest of the kit is what's on the tin, and that's fine.

Those are really the only requirements for a Job to be fine or not.

High skill ceiling? Not required for a Job to be fine.

"play like a level 90 job"? Also not required for a Job to be fine. Been playing since ARR and Jobs were perfectly fun then, too.

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You don't want a dissenting view because...I have no idea why. Maybe you're worried that if people like New SMN, the Devs won't make it like Old SMN and you really want Old SMN or something similar back? I dunno. But what I DO know is that New SMN works well and is right now the most popular Caster in the game at all levels of play. Even in TOP, where the gap isn't even close. You can try to hand-wave this away with Raise utility or RDM being undertuned, but the end result is the same: That New SMN works and that New SMN is very popular and effective.

Or, to use a different phrase to describe this: That New SMN is, indeed, fine.

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It's not what you want it to be. Sure. I very rarely will tell people they "feel" wrong. So your subjective feelings are fine. New SMN isn't a Job you enjoy playing and it doesn't appeal to you in its present form.

Say that.

That's a true statement and it's perfectly acceptable for you to feel that way.

But don't make objective statements like "It isn't fine" when it objectively IS fine. It's just not what you want the Job to be, which is a different statement entirely - a statement it's fine for you to make, but make that one instead.