I want Alliance Raid (Extreme)

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

- You did have Extreme Alliance raid, it's called Ivalice raid. People hate it.
- Creating a challenge Allirance raid is not as simple as just adjust the number up. They did it with the Nier raid. People hate it.

"Hate" is a strong word. I'd sooner call it "allergic to having to pay attention to not die".

Also you can't just say "people hated it" just like I can't claim "people loved it" without actual data. In case of Ivalice I would say though it was rather well received and was a fundamental awareness check, much needed at that.

But that is not "Extreme" by any stretch.

[Raven2014]

Also you can't just say "people hated it" just like I can't claim "people loved it" without actual data.

Every months, you get at least one thread complaining about people not able to get in Ivalice and Nier or wait for a long time to get in. Usually the same thread will have large numbers of people coming out saying they avoid those 2 raid specifically ... If that's not enough "data" for you, I don't know what is. And it's a verifiable phenomenon in game.

Also I don't know what all the "awareness" thingy you're bringing up, I don't think that's the point. I know many people who do Savage and Ultimate still swear off those two raid all the same, including myself. They always say time and place for everything, just people I can enjoy a challenge doesn't mean I enjoy being challenge everywhere. There is casual content and there is hardcore content, I don't like hardcore content to be easy for the same reason I don't want to bang my head against a wall in casual content.