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    But if SQEX won't put anticheat in the game
    You DO NOT WANT an anticheat in FF 14.

    You dont. Trust me on this.

    , but this mindset is literally the kid in a classroom who tells the teacher that one of their classmates is passing notes or whatever.
    "Teacher, the guy in the third row is passing notes to the guy next to him in this exam" Id report that in a heartbeat.

    Sorry, but white knight holier than thou crusaders that literally go against YoshiP's wishes by acting like the game's police and start calling for bans and wrath are far more appalling to me than someone who uses mods.
    Still, waiting to hear why it is that people who tell others they are better at the game need cheats to win. If you cant beat the hardest content on your own merits...then that a skill issue.

    Isnt it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Still, waiting to hear why it is that people who tell others they are better at the game need cheats to win. If you cant beat the hardest content on your own merits...then that a skill issue.

    Isnt it?
    If you want a genuine answer to that question, you'd first have to show when and where any of the people who were caught cheating actually told others they are better at the game. Because I still don't know who we're talking about.

    Is this about the raiding community at large? Because as far as I know, Cactbot users are the butt of all jokes there too. We just have fewer very passionate individuals who think accessibility plugins, minor UI enhancements and dps meters are an actual crime.
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    Threads like this for example?

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-to-increase.

    So, to put this as politely as I can, dont tell ME to "git gud" when in THIS THREAD it has been admitted that a LARGE percentage of players in "harder content" cant beat savage or ex or ultimate without a boatload of addons.

    The utter hypocrisy is ...to be frank, sickening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Threads like this for example?

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-to-increase.

    So, to put this as politely as I can, dont tell ME to "git gud" when in THIS THREAD it has been admitted that a LARGE percentage of players in "harder content" cant beat savage or ex or ultimate without a boatload of addons.

    The utter hypocrisy is ...to be frank, sickening.
    You continuing to lie is sickening yet here we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Threads like this for example?

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-to-increase.

    So, to put this as politely as I can, dont tell ME to "git gud" when in THIS THREAD it has been admitted that a LARGE percentage of players in "harder content" cant beat savage or ex or ultimate without a boatload of addons.

    The utter hypocrisy is ...to be frank, sickening.
    Did DixieBellOCE admit to cheating in high-end content?
    Not wanting to publicly hang all cheaters like some people do is not an admission of cheating, nor does it means that cheating is supported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    Did DixieBellOCE admit to cheating in high-end content? Not wanting to hang all cheaters like some people do is not an admission of cheating.
    Tell ya what Kazhar: I hope that they DO make it official. I hope they DO have a world first race with supervised computers and no addons allowed.

    Then we will see who really is the best at the game.

    Did DixieBellOCE admit to cheating in high-end content?
    Never said she did. Never said that at all. What I did and will continue to say is that no one who does high end content with addons is in any position to tell anyone else to "be better at the game". Thats my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Tell ya what Kazhar: I hope that they DO make it official. I hope they DO have a world first race with supervised computers and no addons allowed.

    Then we will see who really is the best at the game.



    Never said she did. Never said that at all. What I did and will continue to say is that no one who does high end content with addons is in any position to tell anyone else to "be better at the game". Thats my point.
    Just more dodging instead of putting up proof. As expected. Dont worry though, your RP addons are safe. (I bet that is why you dont want anti cheat in this game )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Just more dodging instead of putting up proof. As expected. Dont worry though, your RP addons are safe. (I bet that is why you dont want anti cheat in this game )
    I dont have any addons. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. I also dont RP.

    You also didnt read what I said..I said you dont want anticheats in FF 14. You dont. You have no idea what can of worms would be opened with those systems. But as you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    (I bet that is why you dont want anti cheat in this game )
    Here's a can of worms I hope nobody opens. Even kernel-level anti-cheat is not gonna work. You think square has the ability to maintain an anticheat properly considering their current track record with responding to other feedback and technical difficulties? I will uninstall the game in a heartbeat if something akin to Riot Vanguard touches FFXIV, feels more like an attack vector than a game feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Tell ya what Kazhar: I hope that they DO make it official. I hope they DO have a world first race with supervised computers and no addons allowed.

    Then we will see who really is the best at the game.
    I think you might ironically care more about who's the best at the game than I do.
    I mean sure, an officially sponsorised World First might be a good idea, but you might be disappointed at the results. I'm pretty sure the winners would be generally the same people who've claimed WF in multiple savage and ultimate content since Stormblood.

    Zoom hacks are pretty egregious but not to the point that it could give you a two day lead in such an intense competition. Give all possible plugins to your average TOP raider you see in PF and they probably still won't be able to clear P2 consistently after a week.
    The RDM in his DSR World First didn't even bother cleaning any of his add-ons and the worst we've seen is a single automated callout for a mechanic that's so easy (Nidhogg cleaves after Wroth Flames, which only requires you to read the name of the attack in enmity list) I don't even know why it was there in the first place.
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