Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Bobby66]

I'm not saying there aren't QoL mods. I'm saying ACT is not accessibility. There are a lot of mods that aren't about accessibility. A lot of them are for convenience. But I know you like to spin stuff from seeing how you speak with others. You don't look for discussion. You look to "win".



I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't get me wrong, I just feel like it's being directed at the wrong person.

Isn't accessibility dependent on the user? Is it fair for us to say what one is convince and what is accessibility? At the core accessibility options are designed to allow players to enjoy the game that may not be otherwise able to enjoy it correct? I know of many raiders that see ACT as a key part of their game play experience and if they had to manually input combat data they would not be able to enjoy the game any more.

I think this is an important point right here. There are people in the thread conflating cheating with breaking TOS when they're not automatically the same thing. Are all mods against TOS? Yes, and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees. Disregarding cosmetic mods for obvious reasons, are all combat-use mods cheating? No, they're not.

Interesting point also about this is when did breaking the ToS become such taboo. This seems like a fairly modern occurrence where the communities seem to have such a disdain for ToS breakers. I ran into a in pokemon but it truth I never saw it outside that community until like 10 years ago. Maybe it is because back then I was a kid and did not care about the ToS and stuff and only notice it now as an adult.

[Kazhar]

I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't get me wrong, I just feel like it's being directed at the wrong person.

Ah sorry if my post was worded ambiguously. I actually agree with most points you made and my answer wasn't directed at you, but the general discussion about cheating.

[Zebraoracle]

I'm not saying there aren't QoL mods. I'm saying ACT is not accessibility. There are a lot of mods that aren't about accessibility. A lot of them are for convenience. But I know you like to spin stuff from seeing how you speak with others. You don't look for discussion. You look to "win".



I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't

Ah, I see you missed my point (tbf it wasn't worded great and wasn't specifically aimed at you) and chose to hit me with a claim that far better fits the hyperzealous anti-mod crowd that's been in this thread. Not sure what I've spun or how I don't seek discussion, but whatever lol

Anyways, my point is aimed at the whole "modding is cheating" discourse that's been going on, and basically, like another person said, adding options that make up for for the poorly designed/not designed in game options both isn't cheating and still adds accessibility to the game. Convenience, in my eyes, IS accessibility, I think the two go hand in hand.

[Kolaina]

Rules do exist for a reason. That reason is not ACT and fflogs, otherwise the dev's enforcement would be different. Thanks to community job guides, xivanalysis and crossplay there is no unfair advantage here either.



Why is that so funny to me, my god
That really put a smile on my face, thank you.

Lol glad. As I said I’m not opposed to act. I just think you need to get the devs to implement it. For the sake of fairness. I just seen recently PlayStation is beta testing discord? Could be wrong. But that’d be 1 less difference between the platforms accessibility options.

However I will never be in favour of anything that plays the game for you or allows you to see safe spots for mechanics as it ruins the spirit of the game

[Zebraoracle]

Lol glad. As I said I’m not opposed to act. I just think you need to get the devs to implement it. For the sake of fairness. I just seen recently PlayStation is beta testing discord? Could be wrong. But that’d be 1 less difference between the platforms accessibility options.

However I will never be in favour of anything that plays the game for you or allows you to see safe spots for mechanics as it ruins the spirit of the game

I also dislike mods that tell you callous and stuff but they do not play the game for you. You still need to be able to actually respond to the mechanics yourself.

I agree they are pretty cheaty but tbh I don't really care as long as people aren't dumb about it.

I don't even like Deadly Boss Mods in WoW, I hated that we had to have it because fights were designed with it in mind. I personally want to be able to do the mechanics myself. I also realize that there are some people who flat out would not be able to play certain parts of the game without Cactbot or DBM, but I'm not going to sit here and gatekeep a frigging MMO. At the end of the day, is it really worth it? What do I gain from it if, again, they are keeping it to themselves and I get all riles up over it?

[Kolaina]

I also dislike mods that tell you callous and stuff but they do not play the game for you. You still need to be able to actually respond to the mechanics yourself.

I agree they are pretty cheaty but tbh I don't really care as long as people aren't dumb about it.

I don't even like Deadly Boss Mods in WoW, I hated that we had to have it because fights were designed with it in mind. I personally want to be able to do the mechanics myself. I also realize that there are some people who flat out would not be able to play certain parts of the game without Cactbot or DBM, but I'm not going to sit here and gatekeep a frigging MMO. At the end of the day, is it really worth it? What do I gain from it if, again, they are keeping it to themselves and I get all riles up over it?

Playing the game for you was more in reference to the literal bots underground gathering. So obviously something exists for that

[Zebraoracle]

Playing the game for you was more in reference to the literal bots underground gathering. So obviously something exists for that

Oh then yes full agree. I'm very against bots because they actively affect the game and aren't a question of "will Square punish us by changing something this time".

[MaxCarnage]

Starting now. Into the block bin you go.

Block bin? Sounds almost like you think of them as trash. With the way you galavant your black list and like to tell everyone when you have someone blocked, you seem to have a worse demeanor than the people you put in the "bin". Not just that, but you bring up the people you have blocked's name to other people to let those people know you have that person blocked, as if they live rent free in your head. Act mature. Real mature, not the facade you put on.

You can block people without having to say anything. Telling people makes you come off as arrogant. Though, if I recall correctly, you did tell me before that you believe you are of superior intellect to most of the forums.

But I guess me saying that means I'll go in the bin next, huh?

[Bobby66]

Block bin? Sounds almost like you think of them as trash. With the way you galavant your black list and like to tell everyone when you have someone blocked, you seem to have a worse demeanor than the people you put in the "bin". Not just that, but you bring up the people you have blocked's name to other people to let those people know you have that person blocked, as if they live rent free in your head. Act mature. Real mature, not the facade you put on.

You can block people without having to say anything. Telling people makes you come off as arrogant. Though, if I recall correctly, you did tell me before that you believe you are of superior intellect to most of the forums.

But I guess me saying that means I'll go in the bin next, huh?

This is just poking the bear at this point, granted I do the same but by most standards what we are doing by poking the bear is also not very mature either.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This is just poking the bear at this point, granted I do the same but by most standards what we are doing by poking the bear is also not very mature either.

Since MaxCarnage isn't aware, they are also in my block bin. They have been for a while from prior behavior.

Only saw this as they were quoted. So, no need to spend time replying to me. Nothing from that quote really changed my mind either.