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    Quote Originally Posted by Imora View Post
    Do you live in a country that's having to kowtow to their demands?

    I do. It's ridiculous. I owe them nothing. I owe no one anything.
    Sami on 2023 are genetically identical to their swedish, norwegian, finnish and russian neighbours. Their language, endangered one because so few speak it and splintered beyond resuscitation especially in east, is what makes them culturally sami in most countries.

    I live in country where sami are eating themselves alive, because those who subscribe to language = you're part of the culture: the idea want to change the law so that language is what defines you as member of the cultural community. Those who have been able to trace their lineage to sami anchestry, and so have been able to identify as sami by that anchestry but don't speak the languege anymore are pushing back, as I have understood. I don't really care.

    Of course law could not mean anything, but you cannot have indigenous special treatment and perks without law seeing you as indigenous...

    I feel like emperor doesn't really have clothes, and this is actually fight for some nebulous special status at areas, which have been archaeologically been proven to been inhabited by other people 400-2000 years before proto-sami came around.
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    Last edited by Burmecia; 02-18-2023 at 09:11 PM.

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    The ignorant people here are those blindly supporting this council. This has nothing to do with respecting the culture or historical oppression. They are looking for money. It's highly evident that is all they actually want. A culture is not suddenly respected because a council got a payday. If anything the initial exposure showed some people the Sami culture in one form for the first time, and the outfit itself is respectful. The second exposure is this council looking for a money grab, whereas they had already gotten one from Disney. The second exposure is a bad look here.

    Imagine if France, China, England/UK, India, Mongolia, all of Scandinavia, Russia, Italy, various tribes, and even the United States said to stop appropriating anything related to themselves, whether it be outfits, architecture, names, classes/jobs, foodstuffs, or whatever.
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    With certain yellow dyes it looks like the Hudson's Bay Company's signature colours. One of Canadas oldest companies from the British that populated the country, largely important for fur trades across the tundra. It's historically important to our culture.
    I call out to my fellow Canadians to rise up and tell Square Enix what we really think! That everything is pretty cool and thanks for the inclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    With certain yellow dyes it looks like the Hudson's Bay Company's signature colours. One of Canadas oldest companies from the British that populated the country, largely important for fur trades across the tundra. It's historically important to our culture.
    I call out to my fellow Canadians to rise up and tell Square Enix what we really think! That everything is pretty cool and thanks for the inclusion.
    Bullocks, everyone knows Canada isn't real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    Bullocks, everyone knows Canada isn't real.
    The only people who believe that are the same ones who believe Alaska is an island when looking at a map of their country
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    Grifting idiots who refuse to get real jobs. They do this all the time, it's nothing new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    Bullocks, everyone knows Canada isn't real.
    Oh sorry, eh?
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    http://king.canadane.com

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    When did the council who a little over two months ago when this outfit was put into the cash shop contact SE? Also again back then people on Twitter and other social media who are Sami repeatedly said said council didn't speak for them. This article should have been written back around the 14th of December not almost March. When did they find out about the outfit? Cause if it was after it had been put into the cash shop then it'd of been too late as it would have already gone live and a lot of people who had already bought it. This does kind of smell like all they want is money as the outfit itself and how said attire is shown in Frozen doesn't cast a bad light on the culture. I want to say I only heard them make a stink about the outfit around when Frozen 2 was about to come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    The ignorant people here are those blindly supporting this council. This has nothing to do with respecting the culture or historical oppression. They are looking for money. It's highly evident that is all they actually want. A culture is not suddenly respected because a council got a payday. If anything the initial exposure showed some people the Sami culture in one form for the first time, and the outfit itself is respectful. The second exposure is this council looking for a money grab, whereas they had already gotten one from Disney. The second exposure is a bad look here.

    Imagine if France, China, England/UK, India, Mongolia, all of Scandinavia, Russia, Italy, various tribes, and even the United States said to stop appropriating anything related to themselves, whether it be outfits, architecture, names, classes/jobs, foodstuffs, or whatever.
    Yep, Disney showed up at their doorstep and gave them a ton of money so they wouldn’t be offended and they were like yup, this works. And from that point forward if anyone dare reference them in any way they better pay up.

    This is a perfect example of actions doing more harm than good. No one should have contacted them, and they should have no reason to protest unless someone was being intentionally disrespectful to them. Which as far as I can see is not happening.

    Hopefully it doesn’t go to courts because if it does all Disney succeeded in doing was creating a law suit mill with their misguided woke agenda. Money isn’t even the best thing you can do for cultures, it’s more about being respectful about how they are presented. But I bet the greedy politicians would disagree of course. Even those on the Sami council. Those seem remarkably similar across all cultures and locations.
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    *plays the world's smallest violin to the Sammi Council* Love people don't have a spine these days. Have to cancel everything because feelings
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