Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[VelKallor]

From now on always disclose that you are looking for a strict no plugin/cheating clear.

WHY on earth should he HAVE to tell them? Its in the TOS, its in big bold letters on the Lodestone, it isnt just "dont tell me and its fine", its against the rules, its cheating...I mean its kinda the bleeding obvious.

I ask again: how can they NOT know its illegal when the publicity on this matter has been HUGE and that specific zoom hack was front and centre???

Plugins in this game have become very normalized - especially in the raiding community.

So I was right, in an earlier thread I was told "Its SOME people, not all", from what you are saying it appears its a lot more than that. "Everybody cheats so its fine"....no, it isnt.

You have automarkers which automatically target players for specific mechanics, cactpot which figures out how to solve a mechanic for you and calls it out

So, you are admitting that a large percentage of the raid community cheat to win then? Remember that thread on normal difficulty needing to be harder? "You need to git gud, we are better players than you. but yes we cheat in order to clear harder content."

I have to ask: why cant you beat it WITHOUT those plugins? Sounds to me like a skill issue.

If you look hard enough you can scrape together a group of 8 like minded people that want to do ultimate raids without plugin cheating.

If you cant clear that content without cheating, Ill be blunt: you arent as good as you say you are then. if you cant win without cheating, with all due respect, you dont deserve to win at all.

[Bobby66]

If you cant clear that content without cheating, Ill be blunt: you arent as good as you say you are then. if you cant win without cheating, with all due respect, you dont deserve to win at all.

Kicker who are you at the end of the day? They are doing their own thing, you do yours. You may feel they do not deserve it but end of the day the only one that matters if the one that got the clear. If they feel their clear is deserved then it is to them.

[Aravell]

It's not wrong to point out that OP is wrong for immediately kicking without consulting the rest of the static. The static is a team effort, not consulting the rest of the team before taking any decision is akin to telling people "It's my way or the highway", that's not a good quality in a leader in real life, I don't see why people think it's a good quality for a leader in a game.

I feel like a lot of people are too busy parading around on their high horse pointing at the cheater to notice the 6 other people that the OP massively inconvenienced.

[VelKallor]

Kicker who are you at the end of the day? They are doing their own thing, you do yours. You may feel they do not deserve it but end of the day the only one that matters if the one that got the clear.

By cheating. Not on their own merits. Not by their own skill.

If they feel their clear is deserved then it is to them.

Im sure they are happy with their "clear", pity it wasnt on their own merits.

I feel like a lot of people are too busy parading around on their high horse pointing at the cheater to notice the 6 other people that the OP massively inconvenienced.

..thats on the cheater. Not on OP.

[Bobby66]

By cheating. Not on their own merits. Not by their own skill.



Im sure they are happy with their "clear", pity it wasnt on their own merits.



..thats on the cheater. Not on OP.

Thing is the only ones that care about the merits are the ones that opinion does not even matter to them on any level for the most part most likely. So why get so bent out of shape over a one sided beef?

[Rolder50]

Thing is the only ones that care about the merits are the ones that opinion does not even matter to them on any level for the most part most likely. So why get so bent out of shape over a one sided beef?

It's pretty clear from their overall attitude that they aren't even a raider in the first place. Makes it extra funny.

[Aravell]

..thats on the cheater. Not on OP.

The OP could've given the cheater an ultimatum "Stop using it or I kick you" then given them one last chance, or they could silently search for a replacement and kick the cheater once a new member was found. There's a lot of other options that wouldn't inconvenience the other 6 people as much as what they did.

Let's not pretend the inconvenience is not entirely on OP's leadership. The action of kicking immediately with no backup plan is one that OP is entirely responsible for.

[AnnRam]

If he wasn't your friend it's fine.
That's how things works in groups.

[Pixieh]

Kicker who are you at the end of the day? They are doing their own thing, you do yours. You may feel they do not deserve it but end of the day the only one that matters if the one that got the clear. If they feel their clear is deserved then it is to them.

This is wrong on so many levels and I feel ashamed to be playing the same game as you and those who think like you.

[VelKallor]

It's pretty clear from their overall attitude that they aren't even a raider in the first place. Makes it extra funny.

Whats funny is you excusing people who cheat to win. Ill ask again, why is it you CANT clear this content without addons? Seriously...why? If you are a "raider" and a "better player" then........why do you need addons?