Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Bobby66]

You're honestly trying to shame me for playing according to the rules I agreed to upon signing up? What the hell is wrong with you?




So you wish more people would turn a blind eye on blatant TOS breakers. Nice.





You're clearly not knowing what legit means.


adjective: legit

1.
conforming to the rules; legal.

If you cheat your way to a clear than that's literally the opposite of legit.

Here is the funny thing about things like this, normally to a cheater all that matters is their own personal truth. Also per my example I never stated I was the one that cheated. Also another factor is normally a cheater does not think what they are doing is cheating so they have a self justification that they use to validate their actions. You are trying to enforce a something they do not care about.

I said if I was part of a group and later found out someone cheated, and SE choose to take my clears away I would not be upset I would just shrug it off because I did clear the run and to me personally it was a legit cause I did not take part in the cheats myself. The OP could have easily just told the person to stop using cheats, and left it at that. The progress they made with them using the cheats would not be invalid or anything. Even if say they found out later the person cheated, and their run was now being questioned, if they had not know or the person lied and said they did stop but did not stop. I would personally just take the rewards away from the one that cheated. I do not think you should just blindly go and punish a group for the actions of one.

I do not get this stance you are imposing a standard they do not align with or follow, if they did they would not be cheating. Do you really think they care what the rules state? That is my point to them nothing anyone says or does will detract from what they have done in their own head most of the time. They will blame someone else, come up with a different story. People are having a debate over a topic that the party that has done the action does not care about in any shape or form. If you do not find it legit cool, if they find their run legit also cool. Why do people care so much if others cheat or not not like their was a massive prize pool and stake we are legit just talking about bragging rights and some minor 15 min of fame.

Overall I do wish people would take care of their own life and house before they start to question the actions of others. Overall that has always been my issue with this cheating topic, if someone does not agree with the rules and breaks them do you think telling them no you did not earn it would detract from what they did to themselves? Normally it does not, I have friends that brag about getting high ranks in FPS games but I am like bruh you use aimbot, they do not care. To them it still requires effort and still feels good. Banning them, shunning them does not take away the feeling they had in that moment. Same thing with my college mates that cheated on exams in school. They are happy as could be right now, they have good paying jobs and the past is the past. People will cheat and often a cheater will be okay with it no matter what one says or does to them.

[Meowdyj]

Thank god some people like you are hollier than thou

There it is again. HOLIER THAN THOU.

[kaynide]

There it is again. HOLIER THAN THOU.

I dunno, some people just got a lot of Holly. Bushes of it even!

[Yeol]

Are you sure they were using zoom hack and not playing on non-standard resolution?
It is common to comment on my screen when I stream because I play on 21:9.

I’ll assume they were zoom hacking since they didn’t defend themselves or try to explain anything to you. I do however believe you should’ve had a conversation with them first before kicking. Mainly to ensure the group safety in order to not get suspended.

You should also know that finding a replacement, especially for an Ultimate encounter is very hard. Better keep them until you find a replacement in order to not waste time and hold prog back.

[Hoodcat]

SHAME! Damn you 10 char limit

I think its more complain about real cheats like that color coded map with arrows for each mech, rather than calling for blood on a beard/chat bubbles/ zoom; even in real life there are petty laws and big laws. This is lol; should have just asked him to stop when caught.

[ryouma17]

its your static group if you dont want to play with a cheater then dont, if the other static members dont like it then just replace them too

[VeyaAkemi]

its your static group if you dont want to play with a cheater then dont, if the other static members dont like it then just replace them too

Really trying to Ship of Theseus the entire static, hm?

[Burmecia]

Tell the people still in your leaking static that you're gonna continue recruiting. Give them chance to leave if they so will, but also tell them you'd like to keep them if they can wait. Communication is the key.

It's no use to hang on people if they are doubtful an kinda want to leave. Recruit your new people and try create team spirit you all share. You need to share the objective, or the group will keep on failing.
It won't be cakewalk, but to build static to last you're gonna have to put in work as a static leader. I myself always preferred to call myself management and maintenance (for static).

Last static I lead was for e1s-e8s. I dispersed us when it became clear that people had begun to want different things by e9s. some wanted to get into midcore/hardcore intensity, some wanted to keep on doing it pretty casual. all i could do, and i did it happily, was to make sure that everyone left with best preparations to find a new static, aka BiS gotten.

[Wolwosh]

Me and my co-lead say up front while having the new recruit talk we don't use tools like Cactbot and discourage people for joining if they do plan to use them.
It helps communicating these kinds of things before you start raiding with them.
Too many groups just take people with good logs and never have a proper chat and get into tons of drama.
We don't outright kick people for using them and its hard to prove anyway(we don't have streamers), but we've had quite a few times now that that one player suspiciously never makes any mistakes and "learns" wayyy faster than the other 7 ppl in the group, and we're all experienced players.

[Raven2014]

Sooooo .... apparently the OP definitely is not seeking advise, but self-validation and argument?