Is there too much soy in this game's community

[Escalon]

I mean, yes and no.

The sensivity in this game is far higher from encounters ive had, just a bit ago i had a PLD in the new 90 dungeon who barelly passed the iLvL check, he did wall to wall puls, without using any CD's and using Clemency instead, dude was literally about as steadfast as a wet tissue paper, now, I consider myself a decent healer, especially on SCH, I ran out of mana on one pul, that with mana regen on, when the tank died, he was asking me why i did not heal him, I did, i really did, a threw everything my SCH had and some more, had to dig out even mana potions that been collecting dust in my inventory. When I told him that he should use Mitigation and Defence CD's, he told me off with : I use them when i need them. and then proceeded to tell me that im being mean to him when im telling him to use them. After the last fight where he ofc Died from collecting debuffs like it would be a new trading card game and I had to solo the boss as a healer since the DPS were newish and were dead, he types : SEE IT WAS EASY AND YOU ARE FLAMING ME....

I wanted to quit that bad, soooo really bad, not just the dungeon, the whole game.

Sad part is, im meeting more and more people like this. I dont care if you mess up a mechanic, i dont care your ratation is garbage, i dont care I have to heal more than its needed, what i want at lvl 90 is you having enough competence to fucking know the basics of your class and how to use it to a degree.

If that is considered flaming, well, fuck me then.

[Dzonathan]

All I'm going to say is that I just dont see the term "noob" thrown anymore.
It almost like the word never existed unless I recall it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

No one can take a joke anymore and criticism might as well be death threats the way this community behaves at times.
Hell, I'd believe half of them were still attached to their umbilical cord given how sensitive they are.

Is said Criticism: Constructive?
Because I notice alot of people leave out the Constructive part: Where your suppose to be helpful and offer Solutions for improvement / help one see their Errors.
To often people think just slamming and insulting someone is Criticism that helps anyone improve or anything get better...when it just creates backlash, and pushback and senseless fighting...or people just leave: making it worse.

[Kolaina]

Is said Criticism: Constructive?
Because I notice alot of people leave out the Constructive part: Where your suppose to be helpful and offer Solutions for improvement / help one see their Errors.
To often people think just slamming and insulting someone is Criticism that helps anyone improve or anything get better...when it just creates backlash, and pushback and senseless fighting...or people just leave: making it worse.

Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

Do you want to get offended that someone said something you don’t like? Throw a children’s tantrum because your feelings are hurt? Or turn it into something positive by exploring avenues in which to make yourself better.

The power is in your own hands. Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

[Midareyukki]

Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

Do you want to get offended that someone said something you don’t like? Throw a children’s tantrum because your feelings are hurt? Or turn it into something positive by exploring avenues in which to make yourself better.

The power is in your own hands. Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

Eh, at that point I'd still put part of the blame on the critic. Often criticism is thrown without being constructive, but that already brings into question the motivation behind criticism. That leads to whatever they have to say losing any merit.
assuming you're dealing with adults, that is

[Kolaina]

Eh, at that point I'd still put part of the blame on the critic. Often criticism is thrown without being constructive, but that already brings into question the motivation behind criticism. That leads to whatever they have to say losing any merit.
assuming you're dealing with adults, that is

Again not all criticism needs to be constructive. The result is within your power.

Example: “this tank takes so much damage”

This is non constructive criticism.

What you, as the tank could do; cry about it. But you’re still a squishy tank after that. Or gear up. Low item level could be an issue here. Learn to mitigate. You may not be using cooldowns.

It’s not up to others to solve your issues for you. Being criticized is merely pointing out an issue exist.

Personal responsibility fixes your issues

[MaxCarnage]

When I went through the story, I had picked blm as my starting class. And I'll be the first to admit that I was a really bad blm. And it wasn't until the Ivalice raids that I was finally told I was bad. My party wiped to Hashmal. And one of the healers said, "maybe if the blm stopped dying to every single thing, I could focus on the boss". That's not constructive. It made me feel extremely embarassed. And I didn't ever want to feel that way again. So I started looking up guides and practicing more.

It's not up to everyone else to cater to your feelings. You have to understand that their enjoyment is just as important as your own.

Being called out sucks. I get it. But if you don't want to be called out, don't give anyone a reason to.

[AwesomeJr44]

Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

^ This exactly. It's on the person themselves to fix their poor gameplay, not on the person being critical to clean up someone else's act. With the amount of resources that are out there for learning this game, there's little excuse for not taking the initiative to learn other than pure laziness. If someone's getting criticized a lot, perhaps that's a sign that they should put more effort into learning the game, their job, the fight, their movement, etc. That's not to say that simple mistakes don't happen, of course they do, but if it's just a simple one time mistake then just shake any criticism off, say "sorry, my bad", and do better on the next attempt.

Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

I agree. In my personal experience, the people who will freak out and overreact to non-constructive criticism also will do the same with constructive criticism. Because of that, when there is a conflict over it, I don't think that it's a problem with the type of criticism given, or how constructive it was, but more with the person being criticized themselves and how willing they are to listen and take what they hear to heart. This is an anecdotal example, but one of the former members of the static I'm in had this problem. It didn't matter how nicely you put your criticism, you could sugarcoat it as much as possible, offer to help fix the issue in any way you could, offer a large selection of solutions, it just didn't matter to them. They treated every little bit of criticism as a personal attack and would have a meltdown if you dared not pretend like they were perfect. We tried to help them fix the issues they were having, but eventually they just left in a huff, and by then no one really had a desire to ask them to come back.

I think this is a good example of what's wrong with a lot of the community for this game. A lot of people have fallen into the mindset of either "I'm perfect just the way I am" or "My mistakes don't matter so no one should care and if they do, I don't care", and it's not only a toxic mindset, but a self-defeating mindset in the long run.

When I went through the story, I had picked blm as my starting class. And I'll be the first to admit that I was a really bad blm. And it wasn't until the Ivalice raids that I was finally told I was bad. My party wiped to Hashmal. And one of the healers said, "maybe if the blm stopped dying to every single thing, I could focus on the boss". That's not constructive. It made me feel extremely embarassed. And I didn't ever want to feel that way again. So I started looking up guides and practicing more.

It's not up to everyone else to cater to your feelings. You have to understand that their enjoyment is just as important as your own.

Being called out sucks. I get it. But if you don't want to be called out, don't give anyone a reason to.

And this is an example of the proper response to being criticized. Someone told you that you were bad? Do the research, learn the game, get better. Then, like you said, no one will have a reason to criticize you.

[Hurlstone]

Mayhaps there is too much community in the games soy... yes..

[SassyAssassin]

It costs nothing to be nice to people when offering criticism.
There’s zero need to flame someone that wasn’t initially trying to flame in the first place, you can and should mention things of course if it bothers you but you can approach it as an adult and realise you have no idea who is behind that screen, or in real life are you also the type of person that screams at the people in line at a grocery store? No you only do that online because you don’t see the person behind so it’s easier to take out your anger but you can literally never know who is behind the screen.
Could be a kid, could be an older person, could be someone that just witnessed a hard life event, there’s no need to try to raise your low self esteem by acting tough and non “soy” to strangers online.

It’s not your job to teach them how to play, but you can remove yourself from people and situations that make you angry.
I too encountered my share of underleveled gray armour tanks who refused to use CDs and I do tell them that under these conditions, keeping him alive with wall to wall pulls is proving very difficult, but people usually either take it nicely back or they blame it on me for not healing them when one hit literally kills them and I could easily lose my s*it on that but it’s just not worth it, I know my actions, I looked hard over my job and I tried to help him, if he doesn’t want the help, me risking a ban is not worth it. If someone’s play style bothers you that much then just find a different party or learn some patience for your own good first, and theirs second, it goes hand in hand. Obviously this won’t get anywhere on a troll thread but eh.