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    They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.
    Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.
    They'll probably try to, see SCH functions terribly without it and return it in the following patch cycle as was the case the last 2 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    They'll probably try to see SCH functions terribly without it and return it in the following patch cycle as was the case the last 2 times.
    Difference is both other times Energy Drain restored MP. It no longer does (that was changed this expansion), so they'll likely remove it and not give it back again, forcing us to have to spam Lustrate to remove unused AF stacks. Or I dunno, they could do something actually amazing and restore an extra 500 MP for each AF stack NOT used when they're refreshed? I don't think people would care about overcapping if it worked like that (plus extra MP restoration is always nice).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Difference is both other times Energy Drain restored MP. It no longer does (that was changed this expansion), so they'll likely remove it and not give it back again, forcing us to have to spam Lustrate to remove unused AF stacks. Or I dunno, they could do something actually amazing and restore an extra 500 MP for each AF stack NOT used when they're refreshed? I don't think people would care about overcapping if it worked like that (plus extra MP restoration is always nice).
    Yeah but then you're also looking at the negative impact it has on the rest of SCH's toolkit.
    Dissipation becomes functionally worthless and Aetherpact takes even longer to fill if you're not overhealing with Lustrate, and if you are, chances are you won't need the heal from Aetherpact to start with.

    SCH would need a rework for them to effectively remove Energy Drain but I doubt SE can be bothered to rework any healer not named AST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post

    SCH would need a rework for them to effectively remove Energy Drain but I doubt SE can be bothered to rework any healer not named AST.
    No they wouldn't.

    Decouple Energy Drain from Aetherflow
    Make it an exact copy of Sage's Phlegma, rename it Outburst a spell arcanists used to have at lvl 26. Which coincidentally is when Sages get Phlegma.

    It's almost like they ripped off an old Arcanist spell and gave it to Sage.

    Yes it would be more homogenization but it would function better than it does currently.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    No they wouldn't.

    Decouple Energy Drain from Aetherflow
    Make it an exact copy of Sage's Phlegma, rename it Outburst a spell arcanists used to have at lvl 26. Which coincidentally is when Sages get Phlegma.

    It's almost like they ripped off an old Arcanist spell and gave it to Sage.

    Yes it would be more homogenization but it would function better than it does currently.
    Now address the issues with Dissipation and Aetherpact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.
    Wouldn't be surprised tbh, feels like they're trying to sneak it away again. They really need someone who actually plays healers at an appreciable level on the design team, and yoship boasting that they had to stop using their old one as they'd become "too good" a few live letters back was deeply concerning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.
    No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

    It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

    EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad".
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    Last edited by Renathras; 02-12-2023 at 03:59 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

    It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

    EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad".
    https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/E...sion%20History
    I would kindly direct you to the line that reads as follows: Patch 6.0 Deleted "Restores MP."
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