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  1. #91
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    No offense, but why in the hell did you do something as foolish as compare a healer's amount of DPS moves to a tank's? They're not the same role, you can't compare them.
    Because both tanks and healers share commonalities in that they're both not DPS, they're both in the same game, and both have primary responsibilities that do not have 100% uptime. Damage is their secondary responsibility, but the responsibility they engage with most often. Why on Earth shouldn't they have similar levels of focus on offense vs their secondary responsibilities?
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  2. #92
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    honestly I don't really see a problem, it's fun trying to figure out when it's safe to Dissipate your faerie to get some extra damage in (although sometimes it's a bit too easy, like with the line mechanic in RubiEX)

    if anything they need to buff Energy Drain to make this more important, or maybe make it give you a buff that powers up Energy Drain into a higher potency and AOE Energy Siphon
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylvAlternate View Post
    if anything they need to buff Energy Drain to make this more important, or maybe make it give you a buff that powers up Energy Drain into a higher potency and AOE Energy Siphon
    I think they explicitly made it weak because they don't want SCH gameplay to be about trying to maximize Energy Drains. They outright removed it because of that, and they only returned it because SOME players (not all, though) wanted it back, but made it minimal so the ones that don't want to engage with it are still able to do comparable output (though they also...aren't)

    I can't see them doing the exact opposite of that.
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  4. #94
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    They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.
    Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.
    They'll probably try to, see SCH functions terribly without it and return it in the following patch cycle as was the case the last 2 times.
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    Last edited by Silver-Strider; 02-12-2023 at 04:47 PM.

  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Considering how it doesn't do MP restoration anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if it's removed again next expansion.
    Wouldn't be surprised tbh, feels like they're trying to sneak it away again. They really need someone who actually plays healers at an appreciable level on the design team, and yoship boasting that they had to stop using their old one as they'd become "too good" a few live letters back was deeply concerning.
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  8. #98
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    They'll probably try to see SCH functions terribly without it and return it in the following patch cycle as was the case the last 2 times.
    Difference is both other times Energy Drain restored MP. It no longer does (that was changed this expansion), so they'll likely remove it and not give it back again, forcing us to have to spam Lustrate to remove unused AF stacks. Or I dunno, they could do something actually amazing and restore an extra 500 MP for each AF stack NOT used when they're refreshed? I don't think people would care about overcapping if it worked like that (plus extra MP restoration is always nice).
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    If they mained healers any of them we wouldn't be in such a dismal state with healers. All it takes is playing them full time to see the issues and see why people don't want to heal. Yes in most games healing roles are not played as much but why exacerbate the problem by making the gameplay unrewarding, stale, and counterintuitive?
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    They returned it because scholar was nigh unplayable with its mp restoration button removed.
    No, it wasn't. I was playing it at the time!

    It was ANNOYING, not "unplayable" nor "nigh unplayable". They even baked the MP restoration into AF, so ED has no effect on that.

    EDIT: I think my issue with people's arguments here is less often that they're outright mistaken about things (though that's sometimes true), but more often that they strongly overstate their positions. SCH was not "nigh unplayable". It was "somewhat annoying and feelsbad".
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    Last edited by Renathras; 02-12-2023 at 03:59 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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