Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[ForteNightshade]

The burnout rate on it is pretty high already. Anything above those two - or releasing Ultimates more frequently, for that matter - would run the risk of driving a significant portion of that already miniscule portion of the player-base away from the content entirely.

...But you know, I feel like Dragonsong and Omega Ultimte in some ways might actually not be as ridiculous (relative to player skill at the time, which has definitely increased over the years) as pre-nerf Pepsi Man was back in Heavensward. That thing was the slayer of FCs. SE even apologized for it. One can only imagine what something that monstrously overtuned would look like with today's standards of mechanical complexity.

Agreed. As someone who progged Dragonsong is currently progging Omega. While I do thoroughly enjoy these encounters for the most part, they are incredibly draining even on a lighter schedule.

Despite the legacy of good ole Pepsi Man, he's still a step down from Dragonsong and Omega on the difficulty scale. Far closer than any current Savage tier but the big issue that stumped people way back then is gear gating. Funny enough, mechanic wise, Liquid Living is more complex than most of what we see nowadays sans Ultimate. He was ahead of his time in a sense.

What are you people afraid of square enix finding on your computers? PDF?
In all honesty though, it is really weird how one extremely vocal and toxic minority of the community is holding the entire game hostage by saying they will quit if square enix enforces their ToS that you are legally bound to following.

I think that all the damages caused to rule followers should result in compensation. Like, why is my experience ruined by rule breakers? I am following the rules because they are what they are. Why am I made to cancel my sub because people are bullying square by saying they will quit if cheats are disabled?

They are losing subs either way, they should side with those who want to play the game for what it is, rather than those who complain about what is and change the coding of the game to suit their personal ideals/cheats.

You failed to answer my question several pages back. How are you held hostage by what I or anyone else does? You even admit to playing the game primarily for the story aspect. So you and I will virtually never cross paths. In fact, I'd wager most of the people you've taken umbrage with will never be in a single party you're in just because we have differing interests. Therefore, I could be running around naked (without mods even) and you'd be known the wiser. So why does it matter what I do or even if I did have mods? Your "hostage" scenario is entirely of your own making. Neither I nor anyone else can ruin your experience unless you let us by concerning yourself with what strangers do.

All that said, they'll lose far more subs banning everyone using addons than they will from people opting to quit playing because people they don't even associate with may or may not use them. Especially as most addons have no impact on actual gameplay.

What's the point in me progging Ultimates for dozens of hours for a clear when I can just installl automarker, cactbot, and splatoon and clear in a day and a half? I get the same result, SE won't punish me, they sure don't even punish members of the press circuit who get caught using and benefitting from these, so why should I adhere to playing vanilla without addons? I wouldn't be opposed to having anticheat but without it and in the current situation why would anyone not install everything they can? it's not like there will be any actual consequences.

The fact you're saying this tells me you've never set foot in any Ultimate. Contrary to what some people think, something like automarkers in Dragonsong has a very small impact. You still have to actually do the mechanic and know how Wroth Flame works. Otherwise, you're dead no matter what. My group opted for macros we each individually pressed based on what debuff we got. Having that process automated would have been convenient, it'd have been a fairly minor advantage for us relative to the phase itself. I certainly won't deny it's an advantage but nowhere close to what you're insinuating. Likewise, triggers calling out xyz isn't going to make you understand what's happening. Personally, I've never needed any nor do most raiders. In fact, a good chunk of people who do use them do so on reclears because they want to turn their brain off after progging the fight for weeks/months.

Revealing hidden aoes is a whole different beast though. I'll grant you that.

At the end of the day, the point to progging should be for yourself. I couldn't give a damn if someone wants to use all three of these programs or if they drop $1,600 on a pilot. That's their business not mine. It doesn't devalue my own accomplishment or the fact I put in the time to learn the fights and be good enough to clear them. I care about my own experience not what joe smoe is doing.

[CelestiCer]

To me it seems like 95% of all Third party tools/mods purpose are " Non-Combat ", making I guess the tiny 5% of programs used for Raiding the once that really gets hammered by both the community and Square. If they added the following? I am pretty sure players would be more open to the idea.

Non-Combat adjustments and features added

• Placing housing wherever you please using x y z coordinates
• Limitless Glamour Dresser, from anywhere.
• Orchestrion music player anywhere, as long as you unlocked the soundtrack
• Music that is playing is noted at the server tab
• Location reminder of where you are exactly at the server tab
• Updated Friends list
• Updated available Hairstyles and customizations
• Updated Search functionality and faster way to check adventure plates
• Updated Portraits and friendlier to use
• Market Board update
• Party ready checker
• Updated Chat functionalities
• Chat Bubbles
• Being allowed customize every part of the HUD
• Updated search for Emotes
• Being allowed to color every piece of Glamour ever
• Being allowed to color every Fashion accessory ever
• Mouse tracker
• Updated features for color blind people
• Timer schedules updated and allowing you to add your own reminders
• Name tags / FC tags customization options
• Precise highlighted stat tiers of each of your stats in character menu
• Precise highlighted stat improvements when comparing Gear
• Update Hrothgar and Vierra hair
• Updated Crafting interface
• Updated Minimap
• Updated Partyfinder
• Updated........

The list goes on but its endless on how many things are improved upon or updated through available plugins/addons/mods for when you're not combat. And Square has to compete against all of it. Be it majority really don't need any of it to play the game? but you're playing FFXIV essentially on crack, and taking that crack away is not going to be received well.


In Combat adjustments and features added

• Updated Party-list, functionalities and customizations
• Showing Party-members mitigation/selfheal cooldowns on party list
• Option to remove name plates of party members for Job icons
• Death Recap to showcase how you died to what
• Ping Reducer (XIVAlex/NoClippy)
• Personal DPS meter

I believe this is about what raiders want regarding " Combat features " when you're in Combat. Which is not a lot actually now that I think about it... As much as the Personal DPS meter is a heated debate, there's enough demand for it by players to use it to compare their performances to at least themselves to self-improve and have it in some way be recorded for themselves. FFLogs is evidence for a very large demand for it and if this is denied, unfortunately Square is going to just lose players to it. Not a lot, but paid subscriptions to them are still subscriptions.

[Axxion]

What are you people afraid of square enix finding on your computers? PDF?
In all honesty though, it is really weird how one extremely vocal and toxic minority of the community is holding the entire game hostage by saying they will quit if square enix enforces their ToS that you are legally bound to following.

I think that all the damages caused to rule followers should result in compensation. Like, why is my experience ruined by rule breakers? I am following the rules because they are what they are. Why am I made to cancel my sub because people are bullying square by saying they will quit if cheats are disabled?

They are losing subs either way, they should side with those who want to play the game for what it is, rather than those who complain about what is and change the coding of the game to suit their personal ideals/cheats.

listen i got things on my computer that should not see the light of day they are



. Okay you will leave cool thanks for your time, but as you leave more will take that spot. From what i can tell you and others just have alot of emotions about this. and would like to say that you need to take a break or something.

[SillyCrow]

If it's anything like EAC it's gonna cause all my other programs to slow to a crawl. Forget trying to open Firefox while playing 7 Days to Die, it takes 30 second just to open Firefox. 10 seconds for the simple Notepad.

[Midareyukki]

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That list is endless. Especially when you get to character customization. Some stuff is understandable that they aren't in the game properly, since this is an MMO and you kind of need to render everything rather than boast how many polygons your team can make xD
But some stuff is pretty standard and not available to every race. A more robust character creator would let you use those options, but the one we have now is self-limiting. The options you have available on one race won't be in another, even if they theoretically share the same aspect (muscle sliders). Because that slider got repurposed for something else that the new race has that the other race didn't. So overall, character customization can't be built upon in the current system because it would have to sacrifice something else in the process.

Plus, Square Enix has been implementing features originally allowed by third party tools for a while now. You think showing what's physical and magic damage was all they did? Keep in mind that there are tools out there to modify your character and the environment in Gpose, and parts of it got added into the game when they started gaining traction. Especially the feature to freeze the time and weather. That wasn't there, it only got implemented when that posing tool rose in popularity back in Stormblood.

...btw, for the group that insists content shouldn't be cleared with stuff allowed by third party tools, explain to me the purpose of SE revealing what's physical and magic damage if not for mitigation purposes. Clearly Square Enix deemed that feature to be popular in demand (after like ten years of people insisting btw). Now there's no real need to use third party tools to reveal that. Seems to me the minmaxy part of the game is full force, Square just needs to figure out which to implement and which not to.

Which brings us to parsing. Honestly, what if they do implement parsing tools officially into the game, but make it safe to use? It'd be available only in high-end content. You'd only disclose your parses if you yourself wished it, and to select people (to the party, to your friends group, or fully public). And anyone caught coercing you to reveal them against your will would be considered harassing. That way you guys wouldn't need to feel anxious about your parses being public and being used to harass you, which is already prohibited anyway (unlike WoW, the devs actually do hammer down on people who harass you with parses, so really you have the power to make those guys shut up).

Plenty of stuff that third party tools have done have been slowly implemented into the game. Clearly SE sees the benefit of them and wants to bring them into a more legal side. Which is exactly what everyone wants. If there's any criticism I have is that it seems Square isn't looking into fixing their UI and QoL with proper thought and feedback. People have been asking for the Magic/Physical thing for years, and they only implement it because third party tools enabled it. That's not right. People suggest these things for so long. Why do we have to wait for a given tool to make them available for Square Enix to realize that this is what fans wanted?

That doesn't mean Square will enable cheating though, like zoomhacks.
But parsing? Yeah, there's a beneficial reason to implement it. They just need to do so responsibly.
And everything else? Yeah, there's a reason people insist "Square, third party tools can do this, please work on making it your own". Just go into any viera/hrothgar thread, someone at some point said as much.

[Johners]

Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.

[Midareyukki]

Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.

pfft

"Anything could be in the payload, you were responsible for triggering it", yeah good luck holding that one in court xD

Pretty sure the EU has a few things to say about that. *cough* GDPR *cough*

[sharknado]

pfft

"Anything could be in the payload, you were responsible for triggering it", yeah good luck holding that one in court xD

Pretty sure the EU has a few things to say about that. *cough* GDPR *cough*

GDPR is user data protection and has nothing to do with malicious software directly. Also downloading and running an app just to notice it does not do what you expect it to do isn't something any legal system will care about. If it caused damages then depending on app EULA/whatever terms and country you and the app legal representative are you may have some case but that's usually not the case as even Microsoft gives you Windows "as is" and doesn't take any responsibility if the software causes damages or whatever for you and if it does not break country law it's fine.

[Absimiliard]

Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.

It would behoove you to censor the names in your screenshot, as otherwise the post might get taken down.

GDPR is user data protection and has nothing to do with malicious software directly. Also downloading and running an app just to notice it does not do what you expect it to do isn't something any legal system will care about. If it caused damages then depending on app EULA/whatever terms and country you and the app legal representative are you may have some case but that's usually not the case as even Microsoft gives you Windows "as is" and doesn't take any responsibility if the software causes damages or whatever for you and if it does not break country law it's fine.

Now JAPAN on the other hand... They do have laws against this kind of thing, and those laws are pursued with such fervor that I genuinely wonder if the lawyers over there don't derive immense joy from it. In fact, quite a few countries do have laws in place that would make this very thing tremendously illegal, though I suspect most wouldn't be willing to invest the funds to get someone extradited over something so minor. Applications must be malicious indeed if most countries are to be expected to act, even if the law on the matter is clear.

[Larirawiel]

Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.

Mhhh, maybe "NotNite" misunderstood Marot's statement. It seems, that "NotNite" executed a functionality, which was not intended to be used. Because it's in an Alpha state or whatever. Gshade noticed it, that this functionallity was used and it killed itself. And if Gshade kills itself then it also terminates the application, which uses Gshade.

And yes, Marot's statements are not helpful in such a situation. Because i can smell his arrogance. And for non software developers it still sounds very cryptic and the people have no clue what is going on. I also have to guess, what Marot propably meant.


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