Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

[SieyaM]

I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

But if anyone is actively using ACT to harass you, then report them.

Raiders generally don't use it to harass, especially not players where massive performance isn't necessary. And even raiders who do it among themselves are really just opening themselves up for retaliation. So yes, if that happens to you, hammer 'em.

...that said, are you accusing raiders of actually doing it with proof to the point of it actually being so widespread? Or are you saying this in the fear that it might be used that way? Because the way this topic is dealt with by Square Enix, especially when it's used for harassment directly, is a good enough deterrant, it usually isn't a thing that actively happens. And when it does, it's reprehensible; even raiders agree. But idk your experience, are raiders really being so overt with using these tools to discriminate against you and people you know?

I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

[TomsYoungerBro]

I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

So you have not been harassed, but you feel like you will be? Thats not a good argument xD

[Rilifane]

I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

As Kazhar and Bro said, they won't give a fudge about your logs and looking you up while the party fills unless

• you're joining a prog/ clear party for bosses with checkpoints to see if you cleared the door boss
• you're joining a parse party to see if you're ready to actively chase parses
• you're applying for a static with specific goals, e.g. midcore static, aiming to clear within the first month, wants to do one of the ultimates after everyone is BiS.
• the party keeps wiping to enrage even though mechanics are going really well

The latter is still fairly rare, though. More often than not, it's easier to just disband instead of looking through 7 profiles to identify the potential cause if they don't have ACT running to get the general idea.

I've done plenty of PF on alt classes or even on alt characters that didn't have a clear yet or any decent logs yet, bonus points if that char had a sprout/ returner icon. I've never been kicked or let alone harassed about my numbers.

[Absimiliard]

Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your gameplay in all areas of content. Fact is, most of the community is legitimately awful at the game. Regardless of content, your odds of success do increase noticeably if you are skilled enough to at least partially offset any bad players you group with.

[Kazhar]

I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

Some players just have ACT open for everything they do in a day, which includes casual content, and uploads them in bulk along with their raiding activities because it's simply easier.
If you see you were logged in a dungeon, it's most likely the reason. Almost nobody takes dungeon parsing seriously.
(Normal raids and alliance raids are a bit more popular to actually parse for reasons Rein already explained, even though it's still a niche usage)

[Kazhar]

I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs.

Contrary to popular belief most savage raiders couldn't care less about your logs. They might look at your clears if you're trying to prog a fight with a checkpoint like P8S (to check if you're not lying about having cleared part 1), or if you're joining a parse party but that's it. You're generally happy enough to see your clear or training party filled to bother kicking all the gray parsers (and for what gain? Good parses don't guarantee you won't fail at easy mechanics anyway.)

Your logs might be looked at if you're trying to apply for a static with previous savage experience but statics which accept complete beginners are common.

[Midareyukki]

I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

Well, people have been explaining why they do so ever since I replied to you initially. You seemed to have skipped over those o: It doesn't seem to be "unimportant", there is a reason for it.

I recommend reading the previous page, so you listen directly from people who raid. They know their practices the best, so if anyone can tell you what happens vs what doesn't, it's them. No need to live in the fear of a possibility that likely won't happen.

Either way, those logs in non-raiding content will not be used against you. No one looks at those.
And even raiders who do look at raiding parses to welcome people do so in specific circumstances, namely when they're forming a group to do more than clear/farm a content. They'll check if your parses are good because their purpose is to get high parses, and that tends to be explicitly stated in PF. Otherwise, even hardcore raiders who do stuff in PF with randoms know they shouldn't expect excellence.

And any one who uses your parses against you so overtly is just risking a ban. At that point it's not a case of raider/casual, parser/non-parser. It's a case of extreme idiocy of their part xD

[Themarvin]

They don't need to add a program that detects it.... they just need to stop the flow out from the servers that people can read and put into ACT and the likes, SE just need to stop any combat logs pouring out other than saying what you from.

[Rhael]

they just need to stop the flow out from the servers that people can read and put into ACT and the likes

Ah yes, all SE has to do is make an online game that doesn't use network packets. Brilliant! :V

[Themarvin]

Ah yes, all SE has to do is make an online game that doesn't use network packets. Brilliant! :V

Encryption of the data does exist as a feature as for packets and the likes.