Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Heroman3003]

Um, that was meant as sarcasm and to poke fun at a certain poster here who insists instanced housing is the end all, be all solution for housing and that Sqeenix is holding out on us because they're a lazy, greedy corporation. Which I don't wholey disagree with, but that's beside the point.

Is it end-all-be-all solution? That's pretty much true. Is it a solution that is in any way feasible to implement within current scope and structure? Lmao. No. I myself dream of instanced housing happening some day as ultimate ideal solution, but at least I recognize the real problems that mean this solution, however great, is very unlikely to even be able to happen.

[Joven]

Is it end-all-be-all solution? That's pretty much true. Is it a solution that is in any way feasible to implement within current scope and structure? Lmao. No. I myself dream of instanced housing happening some day as ultimate ideal solution, but at least I recognize the real problems that mean this solution, however great, is very unlikely to even be able to happen.

Is it really though? People thought the lottery would be a great idea and now there's post after post of people complaining about it. The only constant is you can't please everyone and no one solution is going to fit.

[Heroman3003]

Is it really though? People thought the lottery would be a great idea and now there's post after post of people complaining about it. The only constant is you can't please everyone and no one solution is going to fit.

Ultimately, no solution will be accepted until housing as a whole ceases to be limited. Which is only truly doable with instanced form. Sure, there may still be complaints of "but I dont want instanced, i want in neighbourhood and in specific spot too", but theyd truly become minority. Until then, the roulette is for the best, although I will say, I doubt improvements roulette needs are that hard to implement.

[Joven]

Ultimately, no solution will be accepted until housing as a whole ceases to be limited. Which is only truly doable with instanced form. Sure, there may still be complaints of "but I dont want instanced, i want in neighbourhood and in specific spot too", but theyd truly become minority. Until then, the roulette is for the best, although I will say, I doubt improvements roulette needs are that hard to implement.

Houses in general seem to be exceeding the number of players wanting them in a lot of cases, however, since they're not the specific houses people want then it's seem as "not enough".

[Heroman3003]

Houses in general seem to be exceeding the number of players wanting them in a lot of cases, however, since they're not the specific houses people want then it's seem as "not enough".

Tbh it also varies server-to-server. I managed to snatch exact small plot I wanted during last roulette and I did that with literally nobody even trying to contest and like half the new smalls in the new wards of that district are still open, but then you have other worlds/servers where almost everything except worst goblet spots is bought up already. People naturally gravitate towards trying for 'better' spots and after they fail, the bad spots have competition over them too, where they fail as well. I don't think it's fair to blame it entirely on that because of it. So yeah, demand is uneven on different world servers, and supply is more limited in some places than other.

[Joven]

Tbh it also varies server-to-server. I managed to snatch exact small plot I wanted during last roulette and I did that with literally nobody even trying to contest and like half the new smalls in the new wards of that district are still open, but then you have other worlds/servers where almost everything except worst goblet spots is bought up already. People naturally gravitate towards trying for 'better' spots and after they fail, the bad spots have competition over them too, where they fail as well. I don't think it's fair to blame it entirely on that because of it. So yeah, demand is uneven on different world servers, and supply is more limited in some places than other.

Then move to an area where the supply exceeds the demand.

[Heroman3003]

Then move to an area where the supply exceeds the demand.

I also think demand to abandon FC and server where friends primarily play is rather unreasonable one to make. You could make an argument that 'well if they want a house that much-', but reality is, housing is presented as something that is just available rather than particularly exclusive, and there's little reason for it to not be available without limit EXCEPT the server size and storage issues that SE acknowledged in the past, and issues with securing expansions. Hence, why I do agree that instanced housing is best solution imaginable; but also acknowledge that in current constraints it is just unfeasible, and just extra wards being added over time, with priority given to servers that struggle to fill said demand, and all following the more fair roulette system is good enough alternative.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Is it really though? People thought the lottery would be a great idea and now there's post after post of people complaining about it. The only constant is you can't please everyone and no one solution is going to fit.

Imo the only people who would be mad about IH would be those to want to show off their houses. Like I get wanting a neighborhood feel but wards are mostly ghost towns bc ppl who own houses either sit in them doing their own thing or afking in limas or some other city-state. The neighborhood dream is just that a dream and nothing more. If ppl want to be social they not going to hang out in their own wards, they going to go to a city-state or hang out inside their FC's house.

[Corvus_V]

Imo the only people who would be mad about IH would be those to want to show off their houses. Like I get wanting a neighborhood feel but wards are mostly ghost towns bc ppl who own houses either sit in them doing their own thing or afking in limas or some other city-state. The neighborhood dream is just that a dream and nothing more. If ppl want to be social they not going to hang out in their own wards, they going to go to a city-state or hang out inside their FC's house.

Correct. I've encountered maybe 3 neighbors in 2 years. Not worth it. On the other hand, allowing more people to be creative could actually drive others to visit the places they're allowed to decorate, as well as making crafting furniture more lucrative.

The only people who wouldn't be pleased by it are people who can't mind their own business. Not exactly a demographic worth catering to, as they just drive everyone else away. Or RMTers, house traders, etc. People who break ToS in a way that can make things suck for everyone else, ala Seraph. Or at least be part of the issue.
People aren't happy with lottery for the same reason they weren't happy with placard spamming. Some people are happy with lottery because they won their lottery. Some people are just happy they don't have to placard spam, even if they lost. Maybe some of them are just saying that due to the hatred for the former. It was undoubtedly pretty awful, but if there's anything we've learned from this system its that people don't want the small houses, and they'd have to nearly double the wards to accommodate demand for the other sizes. IH is definitely a better option.
All those people, people who lost lotteries, placard spamming, and the ones who aren't satisfied with not being able to own the size they want would be served by IH. Whether you give it to the highest bidder, whoever subs for the most service accounts, placard spam or lottery, the current ward system is not enough. It doesn't need to be a shitty experience if they'd give people a worthwhile and actually similar alternative.

Is it end-all-be-all solution? That's pretty much true. Is it a solution that is in any way feasible to implement within current scope and structure? Lmao. No. I myself dream of instanced housing happening some day as ultimate ideal solution, but at least I recognize the real problems that mean this solution, however great, is very unlikely to even be able to happen.

Apartments already exist. You can own 2 of them per character as well. It's definitely not as far-fetched as you think. Unlikely? Probably, especially if people make speculative excuses for them and they refuse to address it. Also because This problem may not be as prevalent in JP.
They're also definitely a greedy corporation that just diverts a shit ton of resources away from FFXIV, when they make the most money here, so I'm absolutely not wrong about that. Rather than trying to invest in NFTs and games with awful writing and dialogue they could definitely be bothered to try a little harder. I'd say that in terms of issues the game has, this one kind of tops the list in terms of what everyone is very, very pissed about; since for the most part you aren't barred from doing anything else.

[TakumiHarada]

Allow free economy to work by changing it to an auction, maybe a silent one.
The houses are way too cheap in this game.
3m for a S? Everyone has 3m. If housing is supposed to be limited as opposed to apartments which are actually for everyone, an S house shouldn't be affordable to everyone on the server.

It's a basic demand and supply problem. Increase the price for everything to reduce the demand.
If devs can't decide what the proper price range is, let the market decide.
At this point allowing reselling would still be better than the lottery system which only causes frustration.

Before implementing the lottery system, people were willing to pay several times of the original price to buy a house. It means that the house HAS that value.
Forcing all houses to be this cheap is like trying to fit every single person in the world in public housing. It'll never work.

That and of course, strictly implement 1 house per account so that alts in the same account can't make a fake rank-6 FC to cast extra lots, as debated in another post.

Disclaimer: I got a house already from SB before the property market boom. I'm just annoyed to see that the system actually got worse over time, and more and more people are complaining while nothing game-changing is being done.