VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[grinkdaboy]

they probably don't put in as much effort because they know the hrothgar playerbase is already very minuscule compared to other races) that's not to say i don't like hrothgar, that's just what census data tells me

[Kazhar]

they probably don't put in as much effort because they know the hrothgar playerbase is already very minuscule compared to other races) that's not to say i don't like hrothgar, that's just what census data tells me

I'm not sure how true this is anymore. Yes, Hrothgar have been neglected for a long time and still is, but I think the ears controversy was a wake-up call for Square Enix. Ears are back, they stopped giving us tiny heads like they did almost 95% of the time with ShB helmets, a good chunk of the new hairstyles actually fit our heads now..
It seems there's a conscious effort on their part.
Being a Hrothgar now feels much better than it was just a year ago.

EDIT: (Now if we could get SOME NPC representation instead of absolutely nothing, it would be nice.)

[Allegor]

I'm not sure how true this is anymore. Yes, Hrothgar have been neglected for a long time and still is, but I think the ears controversy was a wake-up call for Square Enix. Ears are back, they stopped giving us tiny heads like they did almost 95% of the time with ShB helmets, a good chunk of the new hairstyles actually fit our heads now..
It seems there's a conscious effort on their part.
Being a Hrothgar now feels much better than it was just a year ago.

EDIT: (Now if we could get SOME NPC representation instead of absolutely nothing, it would be nice.)

Loosely related but I just played the EW MSQ again and there's a Hrothgar among the Sharlayan forum members and I could swear he wasn't there before.



*EDIT* apparently he was always there and I somehow managed to miss him. I'm getting my Hrothgar fanclub card revoked for this. Jokes aside, that begs the question of how could Sharlayan possibly get Bozja/Hrothgar lore wrong when there's one literally on their seat of power lol

[RobynDaBank]

Loosely related but I just played the EW MSQ again and there's a Hrothgar among the Sharlayan forum members and I could swear he wasn't there before.

You can look up some Endwalker MSQ videos from around 6.0 release date if you want to cross-reference this scene. I'd help but I feel somewhat unwell so too lazy...

[RyuDragnier]

Jokes aside, that begs the question of how could Sharlayan possibly get Bozja/Hrothgar lore wrong when there's one literally on their seat of power lol

Clearly it's because his family has been raised in Sharlayan for generations, so they don't know how the normal social structure for Hrothgar is. This is partially me joking, and partially me coming up with a logical reason to explain it.

[Midareyukki]

Clearly it's because his family has been raised in Sharlayan for generations, so they don't know how the normal social structure for Hrothgar is. This is partially me joking, and partially me coming up with a logical reason to explain it.

This was my headcanon also. That some Hrothgar there are Xth Generation Hrothgars, with little to no contact with their former country or culture.
Allegor is still right though xD Okay so you tell me that the bastion of all knowledge can get right so many things for about as far, remote and isolated as Garlemald and Doma, but they can't spare a thought for Bozja where an entire race lives?
To quote a certain fun Final Fantasy protagonist:



Apologies for the profanity.

they probably don't put in as much effort because they know the hrothgar playerbase is already very minuscule compared to other races) that's not to say i don't like hrothgar, that's just what census data tells me

Fun fact about your race, the Male Vieras: When the Hrothgar Ear fiasco was going on, I checked and posted on these forums a fun little image. You know what the census data told me? That months after your implementation you did not outnumber us. Hrothgar outnumbered Male Viera. The numbers are higher now and have been since at least October 2022 (might have surpassed it earlier), which is fine, but don't think that you weren't a massive minority even below us for about half a year despite all the hype built around you. And yet you guys had more updates than we did for years before you could actually, properly outnumber us. And I checked as well. We outnumbered others on Active Players at Endgame as well, just not Male Viera.

It's not just "oh you're a minority". You were one once too, and still got the devs to work for you.
Half a year of being an actual minority with the only majority being your female counterpart? Gets updates.
Three entire f***ing years of absolute silence and being told we're a minority all the time? No update, and the one update we get squishes our heads and sends our ears into the void.

I'm sorry to grinkadboy, I'm not against you. But to hell with the argument that we're a minority, and therefore justifies no further focus on us, honestly. Even if the statement itself is true, it's clear SE doesn't see it as justification. Not in practice.
Sure, you can say "We were just implemented, so it's to be expected". But given the hype? And given how we waited for years only to have it be a handwave? It just doesn't seem fair.

I'm not sure how true this is anymore. Yes, Hrothgar have been neglected for a long time and still is, but I think the ears controversy was a wake-up call for Square Enix. Ears are back, they stopped giving us tiny heads like they did almost 95% of the time with ShB helmets, a good chunk of the new hairstyles actually fit our heads now..
It seems there's a conscious effort on their part.
Being a Hrothgar now feels much better than it was just a year ago.

EDIT: (Now if we could get SOME NPC representation instead of absolutely nothing, it would be nice.)

I did make a post on this thread a while back. Specifically about asking where we now stand and what our feedback should focus on, rather than constantly focusing on the stuff that's already been resolved. There's still work to be done, and Hrothgars having a bit more relevance and representation would be nice. Otherwise yeah, SE did realize chopping our ears was very unfortunate, and that has gotten fixed.

[ReynTime]

I'm not sure how true this is anymore. Yes, Hrothgar have been neglected for a long time and still is, but I think the ears controversy was a wake-up call for Square Enix. Ears are back, they stopped giving us tiny heads like they did almost 95% of the time with ShB helmets, a good chunk of the new hairstyles actually fit our heads now..
It seems there's a conscious effort on their part.
Being a Hrothgar now feels much better than it was just a year ago.

EDIT: (Now if we could get SOME NPC representation instead of absolutely nothing, it would be nice.)

A brand new trust for 7.0 that is a Hrothgar and not another godsdamned scholar would be a breath of fresh air.

[Yencat]

they probably don't put in as much effort because they know the hrothgar playerbase is already very minuscule compared to other races) that's not to say i don't like hrothgar, that's just what census data tells me

I'm not sure that's the reason. They seem to try and standardize the placement of these types of items to account for the largest features you can choose on a face, but Hrothgar's sloped forehead and lack of a human nose make the positioning more difficult without it clipping into the face.

It would be nice if they went and had a closer look and adjusted some of them though, those examples Midareyukki showed are pretty dire.

[HollowedDoll]

I'm not sure that's the reason. They seem to try and standardize the placement of these types of items to account for the largest features you can choose on a face, but Hrothgar's sloped forehead and lack of a human nose make the positioning more difficult without it clipping into the face.

It would be nice if they went and had a closer look and adjusted some of them though, those examples Midareyukki showed are pretty dire.

This is precisely the reason and you can't really win because it'll either clip or float, since characters have a relatively wide range of options that change the head silhouette, they'd need to some reworking of the system to have multiple options depending on customization, but it seems like a lot of work even if they did 3 basic distances.