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    If this shitty system is the one we're forced to be stuck with, then yeah, OP, I agree. And I'd even go a step further.

    Hot take maybe, but relocation should be turned off when a new set of wards are introduced. If you already own a home, you shouldn't be able to jack a spot from someone who doesn't have anything yet. Relocating in general, when there's already a scarce number of homes, is just the biggest slap in the face to people trying to get their first house and losing it to some guy who just wants to move his current house somewhere else. Even though relocating does technically not result in a loss of plots, think about how many bidders are going to be gunning for those relocation plots this week, compared to the amount of bidders on each plot last week. The competition is gonna be fierce now; it's basically back to "why bother" levels of competition in the lottery again. So yeah, maybe for the first wave of a new ward, turn off relocation in private wards at least so people who don't have anything can have a better chance of getting something. And stop making these FC-only wards that just sit empty. And maybe, if 2 people bid on a plot and bidder #2 wins but never shows up, maybe just give it to bidder #1 instead of putting the house back into the lottery, what a stupid shit system. And yeah, maybe require a player to at least finish the whole MSQ before they can buy a house, just to prevent alts from gumming up the works. Shout out to the sprouts who scrape together the cash for a small, never decorate it because the furniture is too expensive, and then quit mid-stormblood msq during a paused demolition timer btw. Great housing design.

    Better yet, instead of slapping each other around, just implement instanced housing. We already have apartments. Just expand that. There you go. Instanced housing would be my ideal solution. Just let everyone who wants a house, have a house that way. But again. If we're stuck with this shit system, there are ways to implement it so that people who don't have one can be prioritized, and those who could stand to wait or are obviously just using it for sub farming are put on the backburner a bit.
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    Last edited by Avoidy; 01-24-2023 at 12:40 AM.

  2. #42
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Removing that ability is one thing - I would actually argue they have made great strides towards this relative to how the system was historically, but I do think they need to commit to this, and this includes removing people that were grandfathered in.

    I would similarly also say that potential raw Gil reward (e.g., Extravagant accessories) for submarines should be nerfed into the utter ground. This shouldn't even exist, if I am to be quite frank.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    If this shitty system is the one we're forced to be stuck with, then yeah, OP, I agree. And I'd even go a step further.

    Hot take maybe, but relocation should be turned off when a new set of wards are introduced. If you already own a home, you shouldn't be able to jack a spot from someone who doesn't have anything yet. Relocating in general, when there's already a scarce number of homes, is just the biggest slap in the face to people trying to get their first house and losing it to some guy who just wants to move his current house somewhere else. Even though relocating does technically not result in a loss of plots, think about how many bidders are going to be gunning for those relocation plots this week, compared to the amount of bidders on each plot last week. The competition is gonna be fierce now; it's basically back to "why bother" levels of competition in the lottery again. So yeah, maybe for the first wave of a new ward, turn off relocation in private wards at least so people who don't have anything can have a better chance of getting something. And stop making these FC-only wards that just sit empty. And maybe, if 2 people bid on a plot and bidder #2 wins but never shows up, maybe just give it to bidder #1 instead of putting the house back into the lottery, what a stupid shit system. And yeah, maybe require a player to at least finish the whole MSQ before they can buy a house, just to prevent alts from gumming up the works. Shout out to the sprouts who scrape together the cash for a small, never decorate it because the furniture is too expensive, and then quit mid-stormblood msq during a paused demolition timer btw. Great housing design.

    Better yet, instead of slapping each other around, just implement instanced housing. We already have apartments. Just expand that. There you go. Instanced housing would be my ideal solution. Just let everyone who wants a house, have a house that way. But again. If we're stuck with this shit system, there are ways to implement it so that people who don't have one can be prioritized, and those who could stand to wait or are obviously just using it for sub farming are put on the backburner a bit.
    As far as I'm aware, relocation doesn't supersede the lottery system, like it used to with the first-come system. Anyone relocating has to enter the lottery like everyone else.
    At least, I had to when I moved from Goblet to Ishgard.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Instanced housing wouldn't have customisable exteriors.
    So then... what is the point of an instanced house?

    Just expand the apartments system to include larger interior options, and an additional instanced external 'balcony/terrace' option. This would give the player exactly the same resources, without having to dance around the magical house that has 10,000 different interiors and a crowd of people always outside it queuing up to get into their version of it's insides.
    Instanced housing can be so much more than just the inside of a house (like our apartments). You can have a large property all to yourself, including an outdoor area as well as the house itself. Wildstar (RIP) even had the option to have an island instance with several of your friends. Everyone still got their own personal section of land to design, but your friend's plots were just a short distance away for visiting. I would absolutely take that in a heartbeat over our ward system.
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    Last edited by Skivvy; 01-24-2023 at 03:12 AM.

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    Ivan Moondiver
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    To be blunt, every single person should have its own housing without all this.... chaos.

    You can even put this rule OP but in the end people are still going to be upset (and fairly so) on losing bids and such.
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Imagine if we just asked for a permanent solution like some sort of sanctuary on an island where you could just build whatever you want instead of slapping the 50th bandaid on a system currently dying from organ failiure
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    If you make it one per account, they should at least allow you to make your other characters tenants to the house for convenience.
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    Cinnabun Arulaq
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    I agree with this, I was lucky enough to get my dream house after five years but still believe the system sucks big time. You could let our alts use the house we got on our main and a lot of problems would be solved, theres no reason to have to get a different house on new characters we create. Implement this or for goodness’ sake, bring out instanced housing like every other game.

    When your community advertises your game, they don’t lead with “the housing system is so great because I have to struggle to win the lottery against hundreds of others to get a house in a paid mmo with neighbours that are rarely ever even there to begin with”.
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  9. #49
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    Chadhadai Oronir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    As far as I'm aware, relocation doesn't supersede the lottery system, like it used to with the first-come system. Anyone relocating has to enter the lottery like everyone else.
    At least, I had to when I moved from Goblet to Ishgard.
    You're right. My issue with relocation is what I wrote about in my first post, not about it superceding the lottery system. If I enter for a house and I don't have anything, I shouldn't be able to lose it to someone who already has a home but just wants to move to a different plot. If the intent behind lotteries is to create a fairer system, then people who have nothing should be prioritized over people who already have something but don't like the view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    You're right. My issue with relocation is what I wrote about in my first post, not about it superceding the lottery system. If I enter for a house and I don't have anything, I shouldn't be able to lose it to someone who already has a home but just wants to move to a different plot. If the intent behind lotteries is to create a fairer system, then people who have nothing should be prioritized over people who already have something but don't like the view.
    But this wouldn't be fair to those who already have a house.
    What if you had a plot in the Gobletn and they release I don't know... Sharlayan housing district.
    You're not allowed to bid for them because you already have a house in the Goblet. By the time you are allowedn they're all taken.
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