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  1. #21
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    My main gripe with Dissipation is that it's simply outdated.
    It's actually fairly good in UwU, you GCD heal more often and 20% on those is good. The additional AF is also good since you use AF heals far more often. Losing your fairy for 30s is not as big of a loss as currently since you only have Whispering Dawn on 60s and Fey Illumination on 120s and Aetherpact. No Fey Blessing, no Seraph, no Recit for free crit Indoms, more limited toolkit in general.
    Which makes it easy enough to use to take full advantage of everything without any downsides whatsoever.

    But several expansions later, 30s lockout turns into a major problem because we have 2 more fairy skills, we barely if ever GCD heal, we even trim down AF heals to the bare minimum or even full ED spam.
    Spreadlo is usually a waste of GCDs outside of transitions when you don't have a target anyway, so no point in megabuffing a shield when you can just press Whispering Dawn afterwards.
    There's also the problem that it resets your fairy placement which is a major pain in the butt.

    So if they lowered the lockout, let it affect oGCDs as well, let any AF spent count for the gauge and simply made the fairy phase out at its spot so you can't use fairy skills but stays in place, I'd be fine with it. I'm not opposed to being taxed in some way, SCH is the last healer that has to think a bit more when to use heals instead of just churning out free heals all day so I'd prefer it to stay that way. Besides, it's still ahead in dps even with the taxt so it's not like it doesn't have a spot because of this tax.

    But if they could rework it to something more interesting like resetting/ lowering other fairy skill cooldowns or make it more flexible with a lower cooldown and adjusted stats, I'd be all for it. As long as it's a button you have to think about carefully when to use it because it could backfire if used poorly and not just another "just press it lol" button that makes HP bars move to the right. We have enough of those. I like Roe's idea of dividing all stats by 3, more flexible cooldowns suit the newer encounter design better in general.

    And for god's sake, just make the fairy reappear after death already instead of us having to waste another GCD before we can even nom nom nom it for AFs.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 01-19-2023 at 09:36 PM.

  2. #22
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    If they don't want to change it for whatever reason... FINE.

    However... at the VERY LEAST...
    Make the potency increase healing action by 10% instead of that weird 20% healing spells.

    Most of SCH kit oGCD action.

    Since they don't want to change it since 3.x the best they could offer would be this.
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  3. #23
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    Junhee Hatsuharu
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 94
    I guess they like the sacrifice aspect of it but it's the only healer to be actively punished for using their emergency button.

    It's kind of like when DRK was the only punished for using their invulnerablity.

    I always thought back in SB (when Selena was different and unique) instead of locking you out, it would summon the other fairy while the other is on CD and swap back out if with oGCD if you want Eos back in when the CD ends.

    That way you could have easily had a fairy out to use Whispering Dawn/Embrace/Fey Blessing/Union/Summon Seraph. But still "punish" you by not having access to the other for a CD.

    But seeing as Selene and Eos are the same these days.....they might as well just add replace it with something else.
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  4. #24
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    Ren Thras
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by elioaiko View Post
    I guess they like the sacrifice aspect of it but it's the only healer to be actively punished for using their emergency button.
    This is honestly a pretty good point. Imagine if...

    WHM - Temperance does what it does today, but you couldn't cast any Lily or GCD heal for the duration?
    AST - Using Collective locked you into the animation (like BLU with Diamondback) and you couldn't use any Cards for 15 seconds after it was done?
    SGE - For the duration of Panhaima (or Holos), you can't use any Addersgall abilitis or any of your oGCDs that generates a shield or barrier (Haima, the other of Panhaima or Holos, and anything ending in -chole)?

    SCH has to make this decision - give up all Faerie abilities and even Seraph for 30 seconds.
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  5. #25
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    This is honestly a pretty good point. Imagine if...

    WHM - Temperance does what it does today, but you couldn't cast any Lily or GCD heal for the duration?
    AST - Using Collective locked you into the animation (like BLU with Diamondback) and you couldn't use any Cards for 15 seconds after it was done?
    SGE - For the duration of Panhaima (or Holos), you can't use any Addersgall abilitis or any of your oGCDs that generates a shield or barrier (Haima, the other of Panhaima or Holos, and anything ending in -chole)?

    SCH has to make this decision - give up all Faerie abilities and even Seraph for 30 seconds.
    For SGE I'd say it's more like Rhizomata causes your GCD heals to grant 1 Addersgall for 30 seconds, but disables Kardia healing for 30 seconds on a 180 second cooldown for 2 expansions. Then in 9.0, it now gives you 3 Addersting upon use.
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  6. #26
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    Callisto E'elyaa
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    We know SE love tanks and DRK got it's invuln fixed in 6.0
    By that logic, you can't expect a SCH 3.0 problem to be fixed before at least 9.0
    That is if they find "what they can do" with the job by then.
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  7. #27
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    Danielle Osmond
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    Balmung
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Dissipation definitely needs a buff….an add-on in a way. WHM’s give party dmg reduction, AST gives a shield/regen. SGE DPS/cure nuke that Zoe can buff. SCH’s……you barely use your healing tools to benefit the 20% buff. If they want the fairy to remove from the field, just give it a buffed party max HP up on top of the 20% healing buff.

    Thought about the regen, shield, and dmg mitigation, but the other healers have it in their 2 min abilities so was thinking of a party protraction….stronger version though.
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  8. #28
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Calysto View Post
    We know SE love tanks and DRK got it's invuln fixed in 6.0
    By that logic, you can't expect a SCH 3.0 problem to be fixed before at least 9.0
    That is if they find "what they can do" with the job by then.
    They don't know what to do with DRK or SCH. At this point I'd say nix the AST/DRG reworks and focus on DRK/SCH. At this point DRK needs a number of changes to where it feels good to play and survive on. SCH...it's time to retire Aetherflow and make the Fairy gauge the main healing gauge, since that allows them to change a large number of healing skills and abilities to fit it. It also allows Dissipation to be changed into something good, like a gauge dump. We can just make Energy Drain an oGCD with 2 charges (40s cooldown per charge) that gets you MP and gauge per use.
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  9. #29
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    Danielle Osmond
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    They don't know what to do with DRK or SCH. At this point I'd say nix the AST/DRG reworks and focus on DRK/SCH. At this point DRK needs a number of changes to where it feels good to play and survive on. SCH...it's time to retire Aetherflow and make the Fairy gauge the main healing gauge, since that allows them to change a large number of healing skills and abilities to fit it. It also allows Dissipation to be changed into something good, like a gauge dump. We can just make Energy Drain an oGCD with 2 charges (40s cooldown per charge) that gets you MP and gauge per use.
    Hmm, something like the gauge caps at 100, but every embrace gives you 5 gauge since it cast every 3 secs? They may have to adjust the cost so yeah. Makes dissipation restore the gauge cost, but buffs the potencies of said abilities of the SCH kit for that 30 sec.
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  10. #30
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Dissipation definitely has problems. It doesn't mesh well with the kit, doesn't facilitate choice, etc. I have yet to see a solution for it that isn't just "and here's why the most powerful healer in the game needs to be made even more powerful".
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