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  1. #2931
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    It is.
    People only want it be more complicated than what it is because they can't believe it's that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    And again, that's completely, completely beyond the point. Subconscious and not surface, etc... But it's just banging the head against the wall at this rate.
    Self esteem is entirely a subconscious issue. When it comes to "projecting your self", as you put it, it's all about self esteem. If it wasn't then it wouldn't be a problem if others to want to change how they perceive you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    When did this thread turn into some weird philosophical debate? (˵¯̴͒ꇴ¯̴͒˵)
    Maybe stick the topic a little more? Or be entertaining? What you two are doing is just kind of...blah. (「๑•₃•)「 ʷʱʸ?
    Maybe because part of the topic is whether or not hiding someone's glamour is somehow removing people's "identity"? The ramifications of something like that is both a philosophical and psychological discussion. If you're not "entertained", then maybe go elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    People only want it be more complicated than what it is because they can't believe it's that simple.



    Self esteem is entirely a subconscious issue. When it comes to "projecting your self", as you put it, it's all about self esteem. If it wasn't then it wouldn't be a problem if others to want to change how they perceive you.



    Maybe because part of the topic is whether or not hiding someone's glamour is somehow removing people's "identity"? The ramifications of something like that is both a philosophical and psychological discussion. If you're not "entertained", then maybe go elsewhere.
    Deep =/= complex.
    Self-esteem =/= entirely subconscious. Plus there are other factors at stake, but I don't want to go into that, it's derailing a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Deep =/= complex.
    It's not even deep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Self-esteem =/= entirely subconscious. Plus there are other factors at stake, but I don't want to go into that, it's derailing a bit.
    You make the assertation that someone changing their perception of you is "denying your self". Discussing that is not derailing the thread as it's part of the whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    It's not even deep.



    You make the assertation that someone changing their perception of you is "denying your self". Discussing that is not derailing the thread as it's part of the whole.
    It is deep. And the topic has derailed a bit from that though (not entirely). You're missing the point (or I'm not getting the point across ?) and I'm not willing to expand on it, so not much to add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    It is deep. And the topic has derailed a bit from that though (not entirely). You're missing the point (or I'm not getting the point across ?) and I'm not willing to expand on it, so not much to add.
    "it is deep"
    Well, go on then. Explain how it's deep. The class is waiting.
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  6. #2936
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    "it is deep"
    Well, go on then. Explain how it's deep. The class is waiting.
    294 pages.

    Not that they can't or won't explain themselves, but that's a good indication of how complicated (or inane) the situation is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    294 pages.

    Not that they can't or won't explain themselves, but that's a good indication of how complicated (or inane) the situation is.
    idk... can't be bothered to go through it all however forum trends point towards the likelyhood that a majority of those pages are filled with posts that have nothing to do with the supposed discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    294 pages.

    Not that they can't or won't explain themselves, but that's a good indication of how complicated (or inane) the situation is.
    Or they're just building it up when really it's as deep as a puddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Imagine giving people the option of glasses that alter their perception of you, who you are and what you choose to project, essentially denying your self (it is what it is), with no approval of course. Then translate that into a game heavily built on glamour as content.
    God I wish glasses like that existed. Turn the world into just faceless entities. I am not really one to care about how others view me hell I legit have copies of the same outfit and wear the same style like some cartoon character.

    So forgive me for my ignorance, why would it be such an issue if people had the option to alter the appearance of others within their own vision? It seems like an extreme case of using one imagination? I know I tend to do when I am get overwhelmed around people I just pretend they are talking animals.
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    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Seriously, have you realised what mismatched outfits tend to look like with the glamour stripped off them? They are disastrous.

    You'd be losing more coordinated glamours than you gained.

    This. You think silly glamours are bad? Wait till you see me in my penelo shorts and massive armor top and feather headdress on my dancer.
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