It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Joven]

Motives....yeah, you're being Defensive

Defensive about what exactly?

That wasnt even a serious question, but you wanted to say I was giving attitude, and some mess about Apathy XD

Then why ask a question if you aren't serious about it or an answer?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Defensive about what exactly?



Then why ask a question if you aren't serious about it or an answer?

Something about an Attitude....saying something about Apathy...asking why Im here...and then something about Motives, then putting words in my mouth about me not being interested or calling this pointless. Idk, Sounds defensive when I didnt even ask a serious question. And now you continue to ask why Im here even though I already answered that question so...lol

If you are interested then you would engage in the conversation

Are YOU even interested in the conversation anymore? You seem more interested in Me then the Topic. XD
All because of a silly little question that I already explained.

[Renalt]

Do I hear wedding bells? Am I invited?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Do I hear wedding bells? Am I invited?

[Renalt]

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

[Joven]

Something about an Attitude....saying something about Apathy...asking why Im here...and then something about Motives, then putting words in my mouth about me not being interested or calling this pointless. Idk, Sounds defensive when I didnt even ask a serious question. And now you continue to ask why Im here even though I already answered that question so...lol



Are YOU even interested in the conversation anymore? You seem more interested in Me then the Topic. XD
All because of a silly little question that I already explained.

"It's just a joke bro XD."

[Xelanar]

Is it really immersion breaking? As far as I understand, glamours are part of the lore, and even used and referenced during some quests, and I am not just speaking about the one we need to do to unlock them in the first place.

However - I do see the issue with people feeling annoyed by silly looking glamour. To prevent discussion derailment, instead of talking about skimpy outfits, we could also just look at say... Namazu headpieces for instance. Being able to disable glamour comes with an entire set of new issues though. What gear should be displayed instead of it? No matter which gear you pick as default, there is always the argument, that someone might not want to have their character depicted with THAT specific gear. Which means... disabling glamour, instead of being a solution, is just going to shift the problem to a different area.

[Krotoan]

Is it really immersion breaking? As far as I understand, glamours are part of the lore, and even used and referenced during some quests, and I am not just speaking about the one we need to do to unlock them in the first place.

People hold the "immersion" argument to too far and too pedantic a definition I think. When people say this they mean their personal feel to the story and the overall tone of their experience. There are very few characters in ANY "serious" situation in the game who will dress up in say.. a chocobo outfit to fight a demi-god, or show up to the deciding battle between empires in a bikini bottom and sweater. Most people mention immersion as a reference to their personal envisioned experience with the game and with the choices to customize other characters and your own look I'd say that's a valid perspective. It is "your" story that you're playing through. Technically from your perspective you are the current and only "warrior of light" for the most part.

Being able to disable glamour comes with an entire set of new issues though. What gear should be displayed instead of it? No matter which gear you pick as default, there is always the argument, that someone might not want to have their character depicted with THAT specific gear. Which means... disabling glamour, instead of being a solution, is just going to shift the problem to a different area.

There's a LOT of this discussion in the past.. 290+ pages if you really wanna dig but I know it's a lot. It came down to randomizing people into what amounts to NPC glamours or class-placeholder sets with stripped down tags to identify them as players (first intial last initial or somesuch) . As far as the person viewing them knows or experiences that isn't "Winderforth the Beauteous" but functionally some random NPC with exceptional AI.

People argue they don't want their character to be shown with anything other than they've picked, but that falls flat once it leaves their own computer. They would not know and only could find out if they grill everyone they ever meet about their appearance and yanking people into participating in your RP like that is pretty not-cool. Client side toggles are the end users business and prerogative when using their hardware to render things and for a game they're paying for the experience of.


Someone DID have a well thought out post about how both sides view it and one side sees it as customization and harmless since it's undetectable and the other see's it as encouraging bigotry and discrimination and it all boils it down to neither side will give because the other sides position looks so horrendous/ludicrous from their perspective, so I doubt the people arguing NOW are going to change that dynamic.

Personally I think the argument that people will reinforce their own -isms with it and it suggests SE is complicit with that is quite the slippery slope. People already use in game systems for exclusion and preference and nobody says anything about say... someone with an all petite female light-skinned retainer and house-NPC team being a proponent of objectifying women or racism.

[Teno]

Imagine giving people the option of glasses that alter their perception of you, who you are and what you choose to project, essentially denying your self (it is what it is), with no approval of course. Then translate that into a game heavily built on glamour as content.