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  1. #2921
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Imagine giving people the option of glasses that alter their perception of you, who you are and what you choose to project, essentially denying your self (it is what it is), with no approval of course. Then translate that into a game heavily built on glamour as content.
    Imagine caring that much about what others think of you.
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    While we're at it, we should have the option to display lalafells as another race if they decide to play Tank or Melee. It's frankly immersion breaking to suggest those tiny things could possibly have the physical strength to defeat anything, save for the ladybugs outside of Gridania. It's not like your choice of race and hairstyle truly matters, in the end it's just another form of cosmetic.
    </sarcasm>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Imagine caring that much about what others think of you.
    I had already guessed as much : you're clueless and fail to see the point. Guess I'll leave this at that.

    And yes everyone cares that much about what others think of them, like it or not, whatever you might think or not, unless they're some stoicism masters (and even then).
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  4. #2924
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    I had already guessed as much : you're clueless and fail to see the point. Guess I'll leave this at that.
    Whatever you say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    And yes everyone cares that much about what others think of them, like it or not, whatever you might think or not, unless they're some stoicism masters (and even then).
    Firstly, that's not what stoicism is and secondly, the only people you should care about what they think are friends and family. Tying your self worth to other's opinions is a short road to disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Whatever you say.



    Firstly, that's not what stoicism is and secondly, the only people you should care about what they think are friends and family. Tying your self worth to other's opinions is a short road to disappointment.
    Yeah, you really failed to see the point, no use going down that path further I guess. No direct mention of friends, family or strangers there, but psyche and subconscious in particular. I don't feel like like it's the place for this though. Whatever. And yes it's absolutely tied to stoicism in what I referenced.
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  6. #2926
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Yeah, you really failed to see the point, no use going down that path further I guess. No direct mention of friends, family or strangers there
    You said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Imagine giving people the option of glasses that alter their perception of you
    Who are these people if not strangers or friends and faimly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    And yes it's absolutely tied to stoicism in what I referenced.
    Stoicism is about controlling your emotions. About not lashing out when angry, or breaking down and crying when sad. It's knowing there's a time and place for that and whenever you're needed to step up you're not a quivering ball in the corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    You said:


    Who are these people if not strangers or friends and faimly?



    Stoicism is about controlling your emotions. About not lashing out when angry, or breaking down and crying when sad. It's knowing there's a time and place for that and whenever you're needed to step up you're not a quivering ball in the corner.
    Stoicism is so much more than this limited definition. People literally live their entire lives revolving around it, it goes much deeper than that.
    Strangers/friends/family/society/(more) as a whole/construct working on a subconscious level.
    All in all, it's interesting to see that you base your opinion on a somewhat surface level, it helps set the context for your previous comments, and I'm saying this in a very neutral tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Stoicism is so much more than this limited definition. People literally live their entire lives revolving around it, it goes much deeper than that.
    It really isn't and doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Strangers/friends/family/society/(more) as a whole/construct working on a subconscious level.
    All in all, it's interesting to see that you base your opinion on a somewhat surface level, it helps set the context for your previous comments, and I'm saying this in a very neutral tone.
    Let me frame it this way: I've struggled with low self esteem for most of my life. It's something I still have to deal with to this day, but once I realized that the majority of people's opinions of me are largely irrelevant it was a breath of fresh air. I do things for my own enjoyment. I wear what I want and participate in the hobbies I want and if people want to turn their noses up at that, look away or look down on me for it, that's a them problem. If someone wants to get to know me then they have to put the effort in.

    I can't control what other people think or do, only what I do. If that's a problem for some then too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    It really isn't and doesn't.



    Let me frame it this way: I've struggled with low self esteem for most of my life. It's something I still have to deal with to this day, but once I realized that the majority of people's opinions of me are largely irrelevant it was a breath of fresh air. I do things for my own enjoyment. I wear what I want and participate in the hobbies I want and if people want to turn their noses up at that, look away or look down on me for it, that's a them problem. If someone wants to get to know me then they have to put the effort in.

    I can't control what other people think or do, only what I do. If that's a problem for some then too bad.
    It is.

    And again, that's completely, completely beyond the point. Subconscious and not surface, etc... But it's just banging the head against the wall at this rate.
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    When did this thread turn into some weird philosophical debate? (˵¯̴͒ꇴ¯̴͒˵)
    Maybe stick the topic a little more? Or be entertaining? What you two are doing is just kind of...blah. (「๑•₃•)「 ʷʱʸ?
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