PvP

[Atelier-Bagur]

I was on about an 8-10 loss streak last night. No, not necessarily, but it might help some, and could help with coordination in general. I'd rather have the option than not.

GMs are paid for a reason, I say let them do their job. If people start getting mass banned, because they don't know how to communicate with others, that's on them. I have zero sympathy.

The problem is dedicating resources and time on them trying to solve numerous disputes where one guy said this to the other guy or this team ganging up on this other guy and trying to figure out who's objectively and morally right or wrong in the situation because in this day and age crap like that can be taken out of context so easily. Especially on an MMO.

Of course some disputes are easier to handle when you have a clear view but imaging having to handle a lot of those messes on your plate. Its easier for the team to try to limit the potential issues from rising up and try to handle the few that get brought up. No amount of GM'ing isnt going to make people overally behave better. The reason why FFXIV is currently like this are because of those limitations set on us. Its obviously not perfect, but so is just letting everything loose.

That being said, Im very well aware that "life finds a way" anyway such as people spamming the premade messages because they're clearly being frustrated or trolling.

[anw]

There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

It's because there's the ability to blame others for your own failings and as an out in just about every situation. PVP team based games also scale with frustration & toxicity as you increase elements like classes, roles and a reliance on micro & macro play.
I'm fine with the current system for talking for the most part. It's not suited to CC in the slightest since calls for CC would be extremely similar to a game like Overwatch which devolved into saying monkeymonkeymonkeymonkeymonkeydvadvadvadvadvadvadvaluciolucioluciolulululululu at the highest tier of play but it's what we have and there's no voice chat so that's fine too.

On the note of text chat, frontlines spam with sound effects is pretty bad already and you'll see people spam the same macro 3-4 times in an instant.
Now you give me open chat in a game like CC and I can make a macro that has a short wait interval and it can say BLM <se.1> BLM <se.1> BLM <se.1> BLM <se.1> then I hope you're prepared to hear a sound effect 60 times a minute or more, because there's 3 other like minded macro spammers who fell into the top tier macro meta game and I just eyed a BLM a bit out of cover who has guard on cooldown and our DRG would like the DRK to LB the objective and oh what's that our DRK wants to collapse in on the NIN and oh you quickly rattled out "NIN has LB" somewhere in there and someone's salty in spawn trying to go off on a mistake someone made a minute between the spam? Good luck.
The prohibited activities list may even have a note on this spam/sound effect spam but nobody's currently punished for it in frontlines and it would be the best way to call in CC so I can see that hellscape a mile away. Miss me with that.

I kinda hate how just zoning into CC match disables ALL chat channels. I would like to type to other chats while waiting for people to load in and the gates to open, since that's completely dead air time right now.

Solid feedback.

[Vahlnir]

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

PvP is kind of like a lot of things in life. You don't usually have to worry about yourself. It's other people you have to worry about. That is why it frustrates me I guess since I have a low tolerance for this sort of thing. But I'm trucking along as best I can. I can be a force of nature on a personal level, but any team rises and falls together.

[anw]

You don't usually have to worry about yourself. It's other people you have to worry about. That is why it frustrates me I guess since I have a low tolerance for this sort of thing. But I'm trucking along as best I can.

It's the inverse that led me to viewing PVP games in a more healthy manner and finding success. You speak on frustration and when I was younger I had that same view where I worried about others and their mistakes and I'd tilt at the drop of the hat.
Good luck with your games tho, finding a good balance is a hard grind. Hope you get some wins in soon.

[Saraide]

Removing chat didnt remove toxicity but I am still in favor of not letting people waste time by typing up a novel.

[Arzalis]

Honestly, I just want to be able to play CC with friends. Though it seems SE doesn't care to add the ability to do this.

Just more weird design decisions on SE's part.

[Vahlnir]

Honestly, I just want to be able to play CC with friends. Though it seems SE doesn't care to add the ability to do this.

Just more weird design decisions on SE's part.

Yeah, I agree with this. I get that random people and random comps make for faster, more convenient queues, but not allowing people to play with their friends is definitely a huge drawback. As much as I loathe going up against premades in other games, I still think it should be a thing with CC.

[VelKallor]

So I'm playing the CC again for the new rewards and I feel very frustrated of not being able to communicate in the chat

To prevent you from screaming epithets, abuse, obscenities and rage threats via chat. I dont see an issue here.

make a party, have a team composition that you chose etc.

Not related to chat.

I know that all these things are put in place to avoid toxicity

They are, yes.

but it's PvP

...and?

and there has never been a PvP game or mode that wasn't toxic

FF 14 isnt a pvp game, and if you cant do pvp and not be toxic thats a YOU problem.

so, in my opinion, instead of focusing on making it completely non toxic they should focus on making it actually good

Seeing how popular CC is, it is good.

and implement certain features that would make it easier to play with whom you like and the way you like, at the very least in the competitive queue, the unranked can stay like it is for people that just wanna play some PvP super casually and earn the season rewards.

"The way you like", as in being free to say whatever you feel like? Nah I dont think so.

Obviously these changes will bring metas

All; classes are equally balanced. Metas are not needed, metas in fact are a DIRECT antithesis of "playing how you like".

it will require more job balancing and resources from the devs, some people that want to play certain jobs might find it harder than before to do so depending on the meta

"XXX job is OP in pvp devs plz nerf" No. The last thing we need is WOW style pvp whining.

etc but it will definitely make the competitive PvP much better in general

How is job balancing anything to do with chat?
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I know PvP doesn't really matter in FF14 and the playerbase are not into competitive content against other players but I had to let these thoughts out as a person who used to love this type of content and basically played MMOs to PvP back in the days.

Thats nice.

FF 14 isnt pvp based, isnt a pvp game, the chat macros are there to prevent toxicity as well the kind of foaming at the mouth., rabid rage screams we see elsewhere, especially when people lose.

[VelKallor]

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

PVPers by definition are, to quote a GM, "hyperaggressive foul mouthed prima donnas that expect to win all the time"

[Midareyukki]

This thread just reminded me why playing League of Legends is so depressing ^^;