PvP

[Metalface_Villain]

So I'm playing the CC again for the new rewards and I feel very frustrated of not being able to communicate in the chat, make a party, have a team composition that you chose etc.
I know that all these things are put in place to avoid toxicity but it's PvP and there has never been a PvP game or mode that wasn't toxic so, in my opinion, instead of focusing on making it completely non toxic they should focus on making it actually good and implement certain features that would make it easier to play with whom you like and the way you like, at the very least in the competitive queue, the unranked can stay like it is for people that just wanna play some PvP super casually and earn the season rewards.
Obviously these changes will bring metas, it will require more job balancing and resources from the devs, some people that want to play certain jobs might find it harder than before to do so depending on the meta etc but it will definitely make the competitive PvP much better in general.
I know PvP doesn't really matter in FF14 and the playerbase are not into competitive content against other players but I had to let these thoughts out as a person who used to love this type of content and basically played MMOs to PvP back in the days.

[Vahlnir]

With everything I've seen, it's probably best that we can't use regular chat.

[SturmChurro]

With everything I've seen, it's probably best that we can't use regular chat.

Nah. Once people start getting banned it would quiet down quite a bit, and be about what we have now, but with the opportunity to actually communicate and strategize with the team.

[Vahlnir]

Nah. Once people start getting banned it would quiet down quite a bit, and be about what we have now, but with the opportunity to actually communicate and strategize with the team.

That still wouldn't make a lot of participants any better. I say this as I'm probably on my 5th straight loss. lol

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

That still wouldn't make a lot of participants any better. I say this as I'm probably on my 5th straight loss. lol

We have been on a longer time unable to communicate in smallscale PvP than we have been able to. It has been over 7 years at this point.

While I see the dangers of opening chat due to potential unwarranted toxicity:
1) Toxic behaviour is regulated, PvP or not
2) NOT being able to at least communicate at least at the start of the round is a ballache
3) We have no idea if being able to talk at the start of the round will actually result in improvement or not

Honestly, open the flood gates and let us see what happens and scale it back if it fails badly rather than never changing it ever again.

[Vahlnir]

We have been on a longer time unable to communicate in smallscale PvP than we have been able to. It has been over 7 years at this point.

While I see the dangers of opening chat due to potential unwarranted toxicity:
1) Toxic behaviour is regulated, PvP or not
2) NOT being able to at least communicate at least at the start of the round is a ballache
3) We have no idea if being able to talk at the start of the round will actually result in improvement or not

Honestly, open the flood gates and let us see what happens and scale it back if it fails badly rather than never changing it ever again.

I'm not opposed to change, I just don't see the point in this one. I mean, I get why it's being asked for, but at the end of the day I really don't think it'll accomplish a whole lot. My entire experience with PvP in this game is why I feel this way.

[Fawkes]

I say this as I'm probably on my 5th straight loss. lol

[Midareyukki]

Nah. Once people start getting banned it would quiet down quite a bit, and be about what we have now, but with the opportunity to actually communicate and strategize with the team.

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

[rainichan]

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

This. Feast used to have open chat. It got crazy toxic, the devs said "ha ha, no more of that" and gave us the chat macros we have now. Frontlines is bad enough with open chat, ranging from plenty of "why does this team suck" or "everyone on my team needs to git gud and learn how to f'ing play" or worse. CC had a whole clause added to the ToS about "don't spam "Thanks!" or "Good job!" like the bootyblistered baby you are because you aren't winning against an unfortunately stronger team" (only in much nicer legalese) because that's precisely what was happening. It's the same with doing a squat emote for teabagging tbh, and why they said "just try to be a good sport ffs." There's no truly stopping toxicity in something competitive, you just lessen it any way you can, and this was the dev's way of doing just that.

[SturmChurro]

That still wouldn't make a lot of participants any better. I say this as I'm probably on my 5th straight loss. lol

I was on about an 8-10 loss streak last night. No, not necessarily, but it might help some, and could help with coordination in general. I'd rather have the option than not.

From personal experience in the past PvP systems, you'd need to ban quite a lot of people, and they'd still keep coming. That wouldn't work, not on PvP. There's something about PvP games in general that frustrate people more than PvE-type games do.

GMs are paid for a reason, I say let them do their job. If people start getting mass banned, because they don't know how to communicate with others, that's on them. I have zero sympathy.