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    Okay...one more:

    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    Here is the simple problem with your idea. If 1 nuke 1 dot is a problem on all four healers leaving one with that same simple rotation leaves it still as a problem.
    Disagree. The problem as I see it isn't 1 nuke 1 DoT being a problem - some people enjoy that gameplay - it's that there's no alternative for people that don't like that gameplay. Changing it to 1 instead of 4 is the solution, as it allows people who enjoy that gameplay to keep enjoying it while allowing people who do not enjoy it a shot at having gameplay they do enjoy with one of the other 3 healers. If every tank played like WAR, that would be a problem. Not because WAR is simple or boring, but because while some people obviously enjoy it (many people play WAR, we have to assume at least some like it), other people who don't wouldn't have another option. But if every tank played like GNB, that would be no better. Now you'd just have different people being happy and different people being upset, but the same problem - people who didn't like it wouldn't have the option to play a different Job in the same role.

    Swapping all 4 healers isn't a solution, because it just substitutes the problem - now people who DO like 1 Nuke/1 DoT rotations have nothing to play - as opposed to solving the problem - ensuring all players have something they at least can moderately enjoy playing within a given role.


    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Here's the reality of the general reception of the healers in this game: most players that actually play healers are unbothered by the state of them, but would respond positively to more offensive spells or other forms of consistent actions that can be used regardless of whether healing is required or not.
    Can you cite evidence proving or strongly supporting this? I think it IS true many players are unbothered by the current state of healers. I'm not sure how many would respond positively to more offensive spells. Especially if they had no opt out other than "you now can't clear content or have to be carried".

    The only players...
    ...is a really bad way to start a statement. "the only", as if there are only two options, people who love it and people who are unhappy for the exact reason you state and no other possible reason. Is that a fair assessment? No, it is not.

    ...who could possibly be unhappy with this are those that would be unhappy that maintaining 1 button spam no longer would mean you'd parse high,
    I would be unhappy with the change.

    As I already pointed out to you, I don't care about parses.

    Your position that only players who care about easy parses would be unhappy has now been proven false.

    Only people who want a free ride or like that they can stealth their way into savage while doing a fraction of the work every other role has to put in to get the clear would genuinely be upset.
    So you go from one insult to a worse insult.

    I neither want a free ride nor stealth into savage doing a fraction of the work of other roles.

    I've now proven you wrong TWICE.

    (To clarify this: I've also cleared Savage fights on tanks and Extremes as all roles. Clearly I'm not looking for carries or easy runs.)

    Stop biting your tongue and enduring a game you do not enjoy if this is not the type of healer you want to play. Or jump in for the story and go to WoW for the raiding once you're caught up. Stop punishing yourself.
    What if - just pretend for a minute - they actually ENJOY FFXIV's story, aesthetic, and gameplay and CAN play it the way they like and enjoy it, despite you insisting to them that they cannot? What if quitting FFXIV would be them punishing themselves? What if playing WoW would be them punishing themselves? What if you're wrong?

    .

    I think this is the reason that you guys don't see more dissenting views here.

    You either lie about them, misrepresent them, or insult them until they fall silent.

    ...then you claim your positions are the majority with likes and not being contested by many dissenting voices. When you ran those dissenting voices off or you lie about what those dissenting voices are saying.

    I honestly don't get it, but I'm trying to be rational and reasonable and fair, so... /shrug
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