The Problem with Healer Feedback, and requested changes

[Renathras]

Okay, what are you even talking about now?

Who are you arguing against?

Gutting 3 out of 4 healers

Who's arguing to gut healers? Leaving a thing as it is is not gutting it. I'm not sure how to explain this concept. How is leaving a thing alone changing it? Leaving it alone is, by definition, not changing it. "gutting" is a change. Therefore, leaving a thing alone cannot be "gutting" by definition.

...to somehow purposely truncate...

Who is arguing to truncate? I'm arguing to expand 3 healers and leave one alone. Leaving a thing alone is not truncating it. Again, this is true by definition. What are you arguing? Who are you arguing against? Who is arguing to truncate Jobs? Do you know what the word truncate means?

Mate, I am summarizing objectively what we've been seeing thus far across the warrants and claims made in this thread

Where did I say you weren't?

I said this thread doesn't represent the player base.

You have less than 30 players, and posts that have 8-17 likes, yes?

Is 17 people a majority of the 3-5 million playing the game?

I'm talking to the people in this thread. The problems are (a) you guys seem not to be listening given the number of times you've collectively either misrepresented my statements even with me outright saying those aren't my statements (if I'm being charitable - lying if I'm not being charitable) and (b) are so set on your solution that you aren't interested in any other possible solutions, even ones that would be better for the game or more acceptable to the playerbase.

You suggested that only one should have a significant skill ceiling, that only one should have anything approaching offensive rotation, that only one should have any significant buff gameplay, etc.

I've not done any of those things at any time.

I've argued three should have high skill ceilings. I've argued at least two and probably three should have offensive rotations - not "anything approaching"; full on dps rotations. I've argued at least two should have buff gameplay.

Here I must ask if you're intentionally lying about what I'm saying or if you just aren't reading my posts? I countered that third one outright by pointing out SCH has Chain Strategem now and would retain it. (Note here that SGE and WHM don't have buffs right now. Are you proposing a future design where all four healers have a dozen buffs they juggle across the party? Surely you aren't...) I've argued against the second when I proposed SCH have its complete SB rotation back (which is on par with DPS Jobs in the game now; 4 DoTs [Bio, Miasma, Miasma 2, Shadow Flare], a spam nuke, a movement nuke, a resource burner in Energy Drain, and a cleave in Bane as well as Miasma 2 itself), and proposed that SGE have a combat rotation akin to RDM (which is a DPS Job). And even that AST could get another DoT as well. I've argued against the first in almost every post that I've mentioned skill gaps.

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Again, who are you arguing against?

Either you're arguing against a phantom strawman in this thread that isn't me, whose posts I can't see, and with you quoting me instead of him/her...

...or you're outright lying about my points...

...or you just aren't reading my posts (despite quoting from them) and are just replying without reading.

I'm curious: Which is it?

Can you tell me the name of the person you're arguing against and quote their posts instead of my posts that aren't saying the things you're arguing against and have even outright said those weren't the things I was saying?

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...although...never mind.

As I said, we aren't going to convince each other. Part of that is you ignoring what I'm saying and inserting strawman arguments in place of mine, despite me pointing out I'm not saying those things. I can't have a debate with a person who is lying about everything I say and arguing against a phantom, sorry.

As I said, my proposal would do the most good for the most people, cause the least disruption, and make the most people happy. That's all there is to it. If you don't want that, you need some really good arguments, and thus far, haven't had any. That's my peace and I've said it. o/