Mentor Roulette adjustments desperately needed

[LianaThorne]

I am basing what I said on the EW trials. The first two were barely ex fights and neither of the other two have mechanics that someone aspiring to be a mentor should have trouble picking up.

Not sure how you went across clearing the trials but if it was with randoms in PF you simply got really lucky that your group functioned as it should. It's not exactly common to get a first run clear that way outside of having a pre-formed group of people you know the skill level of.

[SaltyDaddy]

I think the issue with "mentor EXT" in current content is more that hardly anyone queue's for EXT using duty finder, Party finders system is much better for hardcore content because you need to normally watch a guide or know what you're doing, you will likely not clear if you go in blind unless you're in a static... Maybe some extremes but they're varied in difficulty, people saying you should have know how to clear every extreme, all the details off by memory doesn't understand that's not even realistic for most players, EXT's for the most part need preparation for the fight, I don't know how anyone would even expect your most hardcore raiders to be able to understand all the extremes just off by memory from clearing them once...?

I personally think Mentors shouldn't have much to do with "harder content" in general, it's pretty quick and easy for someone to explain basics about a lot of normal content, with extremes and savage you shouldn't really expect everyone to explain every mech to you, you should either look at a guide and go use party finder or find a group to do it blind with. I just don't know what people really expect of mentors if they think they're able to explain every mech of every EXT fight.

I will end off by saying the mentor system could do with some updating, But I think obviously mentors should be able to explain pretty well known and normal things they're not meant to be this all knowing being who performs everything at a perfect level. I personally think a lot of people expect mentors never to make mistakes or understand every mech of every fight, I'll add that I think Mentors should try to be responsible and give advice if someone asks.

Remember that Free 2 Play characters cant make PFs. So only way they can get in without being invited is to quee using Duty Finder.

[Rithy255]

Remember that Free 2 Play characters cant make PFs. So only way they can get in without being invited is to quee using Duty Finder.

Well they should be able to use party finder then? sounds like a good solution to me.

[LianaThorne]

Well they should be able to use party finder then? sounds like a good solution to me.

Negative. Can only join parties if invited, otherwise they're stuck with DF.

Source (Free To Play Terms):
Free Trial Players can join a party if invited or by using the Duty Finder but cannot assemble a party during the Free Trial.

[SaltyDaddy]

Well they should be able to use party finder then? sounds like a good solution to me.

And it would instantly be filled by bots selling gold. We cant win this fight.

[Rithy255]

Negative. Can only join parties if invited, otherwise they're stuck with DF.

Source (Free To Play Terms):
Free Trial Players can join a party if invited or by using the Duty Finder but cannot assemble a party during the Free Trial.

I know it's negative, I meant that they should allow players to, please look at what I'm responding to.

And it would instantly be filled by bots selling gold. We cant win this fight.

The point is, if you queue up even using "Duty finder" EXT you know what you're queuing for you (hopefully) would at least watched a guide, while a mentor queueing into a random roul EXT shouldn't be expected to remember what to do on each and every EXT fight in the game, I don't know what people really expect of mentors lol.

If we want to go onto the hill that Mentors should know and remember every EXT fight then we would and should make it mandatory to clear every extreme un-synched in the game as a mentor we should make it known that to be a proper mentor you need to do harder content. (right now you can never touch harder content and have a crown). But I don't really think it's realistic honestly.

[LianaThorne]

I know it's negative, I meant that they should allow players to, please look at what I'm responding to.

Apologies, your phrasing made me think you were saying something else. Hope that's understandable.

[SaltyDaddy]

The point is, if you queue up even using "Duty finder" EXT you know what you're queuing for you (hopefully) would at least watched a guide

Nah. You shouldnt be expected anything. Game cant really force you to watch guide. What if you enjoy doing fights blind? Yeah, it forces others to carry that weight for you, but as a lonely F2P, you dont really have a choice. I dont watch guides until I clear fights and I love Day 1 blind progs, so I would totally get those ppl.

Nah, I would rather have every quee via DF to have little notification, that it is actually extreme content. Something like when you do BA in Eureka for the first time. That also tells you that its unforgiving duty.

while a mentor queueing into a random roul EXT shouldn't be expected to remember what to do on each and every EXT fight in the game, I don't know what people really expect of mentors lol.

Isnt that the purpose of the mentor? You dont need to remember every single mechs to never fail, but you should understand the game good enough, that you can adjust pretty easily. My first Zurvan or Nidhogg synced fights were thru mentor and I didnt had problems to come up with sollutions during first pull. And as you get used to mentor roulette, you slowly just remember all mechs and gimmicks.

If we want to go onto the hill that Mentors should know and remember every EXT fight then we would and should make it mandatory to clear every extreme un-synched in the game as a mentor we should make it known that to be a proper mentor you need to do harder content. (right now you can never touch harder content and have a crown). But I don't really think it's realistic honestly.

But you need to actually clear every single EX (Except last one, which is always in hardcore cattegory). I guess you mean synced, instead of unsynced? They would need a special trigger for that and thats too big hassle and not so easy.

[Rithy255]

Nah. You shouldnt be expected anything. Game cant really force you to watch guide. What if you enjoy doing fights blind? Yeah, it forces others to carry that weight for you, but as a lonely F2P, you dont really have a choice. I dont watch guides until I clear fights and I love Day 1 blind progs, so I would totally get those ppl.

I understand that, but generally if you're using Duty finder going in blind, I don't think it's fair on some random mentor to be able to explain every single mech to you, the issue is more of a problem with mentor rouls containing Extremes generally. I obviously think mentors should have know a lot about the game and be able to give advice when asked, because that's generally the entire purpose of mentors, I just don't really think the its great to have mentors Rouls mixed with DF EXT fights.

I mean synched (so at the proper level, sorry I'm a bit tired). I think if you want to make the argument mentor rouls should be about EXT's then they should have to have cleared every fight at it's proper level. They should also lock the Icon behind doing so if you think Mentors should be about teaching hardcore content.

I'll Just also add, that even if we disagree on what mentors should do, the current system makes zero sense for both sides of the argument.

Apologies, your phrasing made me think you were saying something else. Hope that's understandable.

Ah, that's fine I should have made it a bit more clear, I was just quick responding to that post so I could have also likely phrased it a bit better myself.

[Deceptus]

If your excuse is 'i dont know these fights' or 'i dont do this content' then go learn them and MENTOR the people that don't, its kind of the POINT of the mentor system.

Literally the same thing could be said for sprouts who queue up for EX content via the DF. It's a team game and everyone should do their best to prepare for content they're queuing in for.

Problem is in EX content, 1-2 mentors can't drag the other 6-7 people across the finish line if the newbies are:

• Undergeared (min ilvl or using other role accessories to cheese the ilvl). And yes, I have seen that second case. DRK in caster (int) accessories, DPS in Tank accessories. PEOPLE QUEUEING UP FOR EX'S IN BASE JOBS.
• Have no idea what they're doing
• Can't learn quickly

Some you can, most you can't. That's why I don't think EX content has any business being there. Certain trials can't be explained easily (try explaining SoS EX) because they have MULTIPLE phases and Mechanics. It is simply not approachable for the kind of player who is going through the DF.