PLD changes; thoughts?

[Mikey_R]

Yeah, I know. I'm saying it's ridiculous that a staggeringly successful developer is apparently living in stark, unmanning terror of... people being upset on the internet.

Trust me, it annoys me as well. I was secretly hoping they would at least give a glimpse, but no luck.

[Melethron123]

Yeah, I know. I'm saying it's ridiculous that a staggeringly successful developer is apparently living in stark, unmanning terror of... people being upset on the internet.

given how psychotic The Gamers(tm) can be, and how some of them are going to harass game developers on social media for the most innocuous things, the devs are more than justified in not wanting to deal with them in the weeks before a major patch.

[Gserpent]

given how psychotic The Gamers(tm) can be, and how some of them are going to harass game developers on social media for the most innocuous things, the devs are more than justified in not wanting to deal with them in the weeks before a major patch.

Instead, they get harassed for *not* providing the information. Or, the opposite happens and they harass them because they think that because Yoshida appears on PLL's and does what is effectively marketing for the upcoming patch, they are best buddies and stuff.

Ever wonder how Blizzard handles people on the internet being upset? They just ignore them.

[Rithy255]

I do want to know the changes personally, but I've been waiting 4 months already to see how the new PLD is at this point IDM really waiting a few more days, I'll be critical of it if I dislike it and I'll praise good changes (like adding another defensive). Thing is these changes are needed to make the Job good, but I'd argue the main issue is we need to rework the "burst" meta so Jobs don't all have to be about "Bursting" I just think such a major change mid expansion to bursts doesn't sound likely.

I think honestly the main issue is Raid buffs, they're for the most part not even fun or unique to use outside buffs like astro cards, dragon sight, dance partner, bard songs. I think we need to generally actually rework/remove a lot of raid buffs so they can be more unique to the jobs that provide them, it will also allow comps/jobs to work more outside of raid buffs, but this strict 3-5% (or crit buff, idk it feels the same as a normal dps buff anyway...) 120 Raid party buff thing, it's really not healthy for any Job design. Honestly? like who at this point thinks pressing your 120 to synch up with other jobs makes the job *more* interesting.

[Melethron123]

Instead, they get harassed for *not* providing the information. Or, the opposite happens and they harass them because they think that because Yoshida appears on PLL's and does what is effectively marketing for the upcoming patch, they are best buddies and stuff.

Ever wonder how Blizzard handles people on the internet being upset? They just ignore them.

you wanna use Blizzard as an example of how game devs should behave?

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

you wanna use Blizzard as an example of how game devs should behave?

I was thinking the same thing lol wonder how many SA allegations did Blizzard ignore? guess Blizzard have a nasty habit of ignoring a lot of things, huh

[Absurdity]

you wanna use Blizzard as an example of how game devs should behave?

Let's take a different example then that doesn't have the same amount of baggage, Bungie.

Say what you want about Destiny 2 but they give you updates about the game every week (called This Week at Bungie), they talk about new additions, upcoming changes, community events, etc.

And when they plan to make major changes to the game they explain in detail what they're changing and why they're doing it. They absolutely get shit for some of the changes from Angry Gamers™ but it hasn't stopped them from doing it.

[Fryfor]

Instead, they get harassed for *not* providing the information. Or, the opposite happens and they harass them because they think that because Yoshida appears on PLL's and does what is effectively marketing for the upcoming patch, they are best buddies and stuff.

Ever wonder how Blizzard handles people on the internet being upset? They just ignore them.

I hope they take that to heart with some of the takes you've posted recently. Might do the game better.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

But still, when we've known for years, what the outcome will be in regards to prelim patch notes vs final patch notes, why are people shocked and angered, that there is no job adjustments in the prelim, like seriously do people have nothing better to do than cry and b**** all day about something that they know is going to happen, then happens, honestly it's the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while.

"but this developer does this, or that developer does that" okay go play that developer's game instead if you're not happy, but SE aren't obligated to follow what every other developer do.

And seriously, if you can't wait three days after preliminary patch notes, even though you know this is how it works, then that's on you, not the developer.

[Rithy255]

But still, when we've know for years, what the outcome will be in regards to prelim patch notes vs final patch notes, why are people shocked and angered, that there is no job adjustments in the prelim, like seriously do people have nothing better to do than cry and b**** all day about something that they know is going to happen, then happens, honestly it's the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while.

"but this developer does this, or that developer does that" okay go play that developer's game instead if you're not happy, but SE aren't obligated to follow what every other developer do.

And seriously, if you can't wait three days after preliminary patch notes, even though you know this is how it works, then that's on you, not the developer.

I have to agree, don't get me wrong I would have liked to seen gameplay or know just a bit more about the rework (generally what we got was kind of confusing on the rotation side), but at the end of the day I'm just going to wait and see and possibly voice my opinions or not, it's almost as if they're still likely fine tuning balance numbers still for a lot of Jobs, I'm guessing they rather not post anything until they're certain about it.

I actually think the devs are on the right track with PLD's defensives they're actually looking at the issues, While I'm not going to be massive on a rotation change (likely anyway, all i know it could actually be pretty fun), It's better then PLD being ignored all expansion and leaving it in it's current state.