Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[Zebraoracle]

They edited their post while I was replying to it, dude. The text in the quote in my post is the entire content of their original post. If you notice, most of their posts have a 'Last edited' time on them.

People like you will characterize anyone who is bad as a 'toxic casual' or a 'leech', and then you use that characterization to justify being toxic.



This thread is quite literally full of people who mald and obsess over parses in dungeons. Are we even reading the same thread lmao

If they added after your quote, then sure, my bad. Still doesn't change much.

I like how you're also ignoring the fact that I said I differentiate between casual and toxic casual, when there's a very clear difference. Someone who's bad and trying? Not a toxic casual. I'd appreciate it if you didn't lump me and other people in the pro-parsing argument in with the likes of Firemage when there's a very clear distinction between our stances, thanks. I'd like to believe you have enough sense to know not everyone is Firemage.

The thread is quite literally full of people who mald and obsess over the idea of parses being added, on the anti-parse side, too. And most of their arguments have been very... not good, sooo...

And once again I ask, why is this an all or nothing situation? Ikara said it, I've said it, we don't necessarily need parsers in dungeons/normal trials/normal raids. Why are we arguing like this is all or nothing when the possibility of adding hypotheticals to this hypothetical argument exists?

[LittleImp]

Dunno man, why are you soiling your pants over people mathing out your numbers in a game and having an argument with other people?

The grass is outside hon, go touch it.

I will never not enjoy reading your posts. It's like watching a cartoon.

[Midareyukki]

Cry harder. Prove my point.

[LittleImp]

If they added after your quote, then sure, my bad. Still doesn't change much.

I like how you're also ignoring the fact that I said I differentiate between casual and toxic casual, when there's a very clear difference. Someone who's bad and trying? Not a toxic casual. I'd appreciate it if you didn't lump me and other people in the pro-parsing argument in with the likes of Firemage when there's a very clear distinction between our stances, thanks. I'd like to believe you have enough sense to know not everyone is Firemage.

The thread is quite literally full of people who mald and obsess over the idea of parses being added, on the anti-parse side, too. And most of their arguments have been very... not good, sooo...

And once again I ask, why is this an all or nothing situation? Ikara said it, I've said it, we don't necessarily need parsers in dungeons/normal trials/normal raids. Why are we arguing like this is all or nothing when the possibility of adding hypotheticals to this hypothetical argument exists?

I'm honestly getting pretty confused here. People have been presenting an in-game meter like it's some kind of answer to 'toxic casuals'.

Do you encounter a lot of 'toxic casuals' refusing to carry their weight in high-end content? Wouldn't restricting the meter to high-end content only make it kind of useless for combating toxic casualism?

[Renalt]

I will never not enjoy reading your posts. It's like watching a cartoon.

Cry harder. Prove my point.

So...when is THIS wedding?

[Bobby66]

You seriously couldn't parse an answer to your question out of what I said there?

Playing badly is not 'forcing a standard of play'. Playing badly is not inherently toxic.

(Creating an arbitrary standard of play, which has nothing to do with the actual developer defined clear requirements of a piece of content, and then enforcing it on players and using it as a justification to be toxic) versus (playing the game badly). Equivocating these two things is pure absurdity.

I had a generally idea, but did not want to make the assumption that you were the type of player finds the only standard of play that matters is if the content is cleared or not. Your logic does dictate that say a dps that is doing less damage than a healer is okay if you have enough damage to clear the content that is all that matters.

I do not think I ever said playing badly is inherently toxic, but playing poorly under the guise of whelp it is easy content what does it matter. To me personally that is all types of wrong, and following your logic they should be entitled to the time of the group because it is causal content. Sorry, no matter the content I hold people up the same standard I hold myself. I give it is my all no matter what. I am a dirty grey parser also, but I try in all forms of content, since this is not just about my own personal experience it is a shared experience with others that I happened to find myself grouped with.

As I said many time neither side is inherently toxic, it is just how they go about it. If someone is trying and or new sure I am more understanding, but if someone is just doing their 1-2-3 combo because they cannot be bothered to try in easy content to me that is toxic. Type of content should not matter, we should all respect one another enough to give it our all and try our best no matter the content. Please understand, that does not mean I think it is fair or right belittle the person, though I also do fall in the camp that getting upset over what a stranger says is kind of silly, but I understand it takes a lot to get under my skin.

I'm honestly getting pretty confused here. People have been presenting an in-game meter like it's some kind of answer to 'toxic casuals'.

Do you encounter a lot of 'toxic casuals' refusing to carry their weight in high-end content? Wouldn't restricting the meter to high-end content only make it kind of useless for combating toxic casualism?

For the most part I think that is what he and the majority want, for the parse to be added to savage and ultimate content. I do think myself and few others are the only ones that think that is just too messy and just add it across the board and let the GM enforce the ToS.

[IkaraGreydancer]

For a group claiming this stuff doesn't promote more toxicity this thread says otherwise. If it's just numbers and pixels why tf does this matter at all?

So many of you feel it's a slight when people play bad yet I rarely ever see any of you say you have a desire to help those people get better. If bad players piss you off so much you being the "better player" should help them out. If more had a dire to use parse info to help their fellow WoLs I'd advocate for parsing more full sale

[Ransu]

Most people know to not respond to Firemage. Then you have the ones where he lives absolutely rent free in their heads and they go unhinged the moment he walks in the door lol

How else am I going to kill time at work?

[Hoodcat]

For a group claiming this stuff doesn't promote more toxicity this thread says otherwise. If it's just numbers and pixels why tf does this matter at all?

So many of you feel it's a slight when people play bad yet I rarely ever see any of you say you have a desire to help those people get better. If bad players piss you off so much you being the "better player" should help them out. If more had a dire to use parse info to help their fellow WoLs I'd advocate for parsing more full sale

Thats a double edged sword, you try to explain a mechanic to a newb, most of the time they either dont care, dont read or a white knight jumps in to protect what does not need protecting or you get the rare i want to learn it myself. Some do appreciate the help, but its rarer than you think. Thats just for mechancis, say you get the newb doing really low dps, how do you know that or bring that up when you cant talk about it? =p

[Bobby66]

For a group claiming this stuff doesn't promote more toxicity this thread says otherwise. If it's just numbers and pixels why tf does this matter at all?

So many of you feel it's a slight when people play bad yet I rarely ever see any of you say you have a desire to help those people get better. If bad players piss you off so much you being the "better player" should help them out. If more had a dire to use parse info to help their fellow WoLs I'd advocate for parsing more full sale

I have tried to explain DPS rotation once for Ninja to a player while healing. They legit told me did they ask for help, let went on to tell me it does not matter as some have said content is faceroll does not matter what they do the content will still be cleared.

Since then I just do the silent removal not worth the effort anymore for me personally. More power to those that still try. Granted this one experience and it is whatever but hey they are right if they do not ask who am I to impose my words.