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  1. #151
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    Showing meters to shame someone in leveling content in WoW rarely happens,
    Um...yeah right....sure...

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  2. #152
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    I am sorry just seems weird to pay so much attention to the potential harm of a tool, because people will misuse the tool.
    Yes. They will. Thank you for making my point.
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  3. #153
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    Alternatively, perhaps an official personal-only damage meter which only shows your own dps could be acceptable. This would allow players playing on consoles to measure their own performance as they are unable to use external dps meters and being personal only, players will not be able to use it to abuse other players.

    An official damage meter which showcases everyone's damage is a definite no-no.
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  4. #154
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    Henry Seger
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    Please don't add damage meters, Yoshi P.
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  5. #155
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    Alternatively, perhaps an official personal-only damage meter which only shows your own dps could be acceptable.
    "Link screenshots of all your meters or be kicked"

    No.
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  6. #156
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Some shaming is a good thing
    I didn't say not to do it, i'm just saying it's gonna happen. At that point the reasoning for shaming someone is subjective. Does the person have low dps? Who cares if the content is so easy it's cleared regardless. You can say you are "carrying" the person but if you don't like carrying anyone then feel free to kick. I'm just saying that shaming is going to happen with or without a dps meter. You don't need a dps meter to see the summoner who spends half of the fight spamming ruin and sitting at 8 on the hate list to know that the player isn't bringing great dps, lol.
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  7. #157
    Player NekoMataMata's Avatar
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    People say damage meters will make people get toxic, but honestly, I've seen so much toxicity over the lack of damage meters and in-game information on what happened in a fight.

    Because you can't mention ACT, especially in casual scenarios it's very easy for people to throw the blame around. Damage meters + an in-game review showing damage taken and taken from what sources, along with healing would be helpful for avoiding that childishness.

    I've dealt with more immature hostilities from casuals regarding party performance issues than I have with elitists.
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    Last edited by NekoMataMata; 12-21-2022 at 02:36 PM.

  8. #158
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    Kazek Amilia
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    "Link screenshots of all your meters or be kicked"

    No.
    Again, logs are extremely accessible in current day savage/ultimate community and your strawman scenario almost never happens. People are mostly interested in logs when you need to prove you actually cleared some fights or reached a certain phase, as the achievements on Lodestone only care about last floor clears. And I'd say it's fair game? Why wouldn't you want to check if someone you don't know is telling the truth about their experience with the game?

    Also numbers on a screenshot could be faked so easily I don't think anyone would actually bother to ask for them.
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    Last edited by Kazhar; 12-21-2022 at 01:37 PM.

  9. #159
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    Ymir Bombullshale
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    People say damage meters will make people get toxic, but honestly, I've seen so much toxicity over the lack of damage meters and in-game information on what happened in a fight.

    Because you can't mention ACT, especially in casual scenarios it's very easy for people to throw the blame around. Damage meters + an in-game review showing damage taken and taken from what sources, along with healing would be helpful for avoiding that childishness.

    I've dealt with more immature hostilities from casuals regarding party performance issues than I have with elitists.
    What? if anything casual content is definitely the place where meters would never be put. There's no reason to ever have damage meters in sastasha ever. There's no reason to have them on Alliance raids or Story Dungeons. None of those have enrages so your DPS does not matter.
    Damage meters would not only contribute nothing, but add to the toxicity as you'd be tacitly allowing someone to have a meltdown if the other person in their sastasha run didn't have full uptaime, and made the boss take 10 seconds more.

    I don't think they're even needed in Extremes or Savages, I've never needed them on anything. But for sure, talking about putting them in casual content is so far beyond the scope of what people are talking about that it will definitely never happen.
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  10. #160
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    Hope Sunflame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Nah, everyone knows console players are not real raiders. As someone implied here if someone is serious about raiding and wanted to use ACT they would be playing on PC.
    If you want to bait you should make your own thread... that's how that works.
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