Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[VelKallor]

WoW is no more :toxic: than FFXIV one community is just more blunt and the other is more passive aggressive about it.

Oh I beg to differ.

As has been said, but bears repeating, the day that dps meters are allowed, you will have THAT GUY spamming meters and screaming abuse at people..............in Sastasha.

Thank you, no.

[KeshLives]

Oh I beg to differ.

As has been said, but bears repeating, the day that dps meters are allowed, you will have THAT GUY spamming meters and screaming abuse at people..............in Sastasha.

Thank you, no.

Exactly. For you who think it wouldn't change FFXIV for the worse, they must have not played WoW and seen the cesspool it has become, or, they did play WoW and want FFXIV to be like that.
I do not want any part of that BS for FFXIV.

[Zebraoracle]

Exactly. For you who think it wouldn't change FFXIV for the worse, they must have not played WoW and seen the cesspool it has become, or, they did play WoW and want FFXIV to be like that.
I do not want any part of that BS for FFXIV.

Lol. It's like a broken record in here. Once again, I ask where the TOS went with the implementation of in game parsers, in a game where hardly anyone talks in duty finder anyways. The random person screeching in freaking Sastasha of all things is going to be so incredibly niche and such an extraordinary outlier that it's such a silly argument to try to make.

A common thing I've seen on this board said is the Tales of Duty Finder cases are very rare and outliers of what actually goes on in the game... but the way y'all are talking is like someone's going to be screeching in every other dungeon and I'm just like ???? Which is it?

I've not seen wow be like that, but I've seen plenty of sexual harassment take place in ff14 it self

WoW lives about as rent-free in some 14 players' heads as Firemage lives in some posters' heads lol.
Also it's funny that personal biases, opinions, and experiences for some reason overwrites other peoples'.

Agreed. Even better, PvP and PvE are different systems, and balancing one doesn't affect the other. Also, no open-world ganking of players who don't want to fight other players. You have to go to the PvP area to PvP, and everyone else there is looking to kill you, too. No haven for people who just want to gank people who don't even want to fight you.

I'm... not sure what your point is at all with this. The people in WoW who have to deal with world PvP chose to deal with that by picking a server that has world PvP. Genuine question, have you actually played WoW?

[KeshLives]

Genuine question, have you actually played WoW?

Jan 28 2005 to about 2 months into Shadowlands. Long enough to suit you?
I know exactly what WoW has turned into, and damage meters and the attitudes that some of you dearly want to adopt is a major part of WHY people have left that game in droves. They turned a game that was fun in 2010 to a game that by 2015 was turning into "Sorry, we won't invite you for a group because your class is 5% behind others" and "How dare you not know the dungeon inside and out the first time you have ever run it!!!" The players mathed all the fun out of the game.
YMMV.

I don't want any part of that progression applied to FFXIV. So far the devs have watched and gotten the right lessons from watching other games struggle, and have realized where the money is, and it's not in allowing tryhards to run off all the non-tryhards, and I'm not talking about 'bads' here.

[Midareyukki]

I don't want any part of that progression applied to FFXIV. So far the devs have watched and gotten the right lessons from watching other games struggle, and have realized where the money is, and it's not in allowing tryhards to run off all the non-tryhards, and I'm not talking about 'bads' here.

Except that by default this isn't such a game and the ToS + dev outlook on things is very, very different.

We don't have an Ion or whatever his name is on our dev team. That alone makes such a big difference in countering that sort of future. Among many other things, I'm sure. Like, I'm all for cautionary tales, but we shouldn't forget this game's own context and history.

Plus, with people who remember how those days in WoW are like and are so against this idea in the first place, I highly doubt toxicity coming from parses would ever even be tolerated, so you don't have much to fear.