More Options for Character Growth

[Onidemon]

WoW is in a decline, lots are bored with it (you say you play it, don't you? How do you not know this is a common sentiment about it?) XI is still going strong especially for a 10 year old game that released before MMOs became a common place and every company under the sun had their own.



You didn't correct me, WoW is still in a decline, if you even know that being in a decline means more than just losing subs.



Once again my server still hits 3k+ at peak time. Last I checked, I generally play in pick up groups because..-GASP- it's interesting to meet new people in an MMORPG...whodathunkit?



So you admit you're just an asshole for the sake it? Once again, you corrected nothing and you were the one to be corrected because when someone brought up FFXI was going strong and "WoW killers fall flat on their face" you basically stated it was a dead game and jumped on the "WoW is superior, WoW is going strong", thus my butthumping blizzard and WoW comment, because people who actually play WoW knows it's not going strong anymore. It has lots of subs sure, but is it really going strong? People are bored to death with it and a lot of recent changes and additions hasn't really resparked the fire for many.



More staff means less gets done, actually. Having 900 people on your team doesn't do anything that having 200 or less does. There's games out there created by only 1 person and it features more than games created by commercial teams of 100+. More money to a company means more money for the company to spend on anything regarding said company, i.e server costs, game projects and more.



They are, they're basically getting rid of the useless fat so to speak, but hey I don't play WoW supposedly, what would I know lol.

You do realize you keep saying how WOW is in a decline and still try to make it sounds like it is dying when saying pple are bored to death with it and keep saying how 10mil is nothing. Then you turn around and argue that XI on the other hand is going so strong yet has less then 100k subs and you base all your assumptions on the fact that your server has 3k players at peak? I was being an ass cuz u started being rude for no reason, i wasn't even talking to you when you responded. Then you complain when you get talked back to.

Clearly you know nothing about programing and game design if you say that a game with 1 person has more features then a game with 100+ staff. Do you think that how many things you can do or UI options mean a lot more was done by 1 person then 100+? Do you know how much work is put in the graphics? Level design? Writing code? Again you talk without knowing the subject......I can write a game by myself like minecraft with NES graphics in a couple of months or few years. Making FFXIV by myself would take me 20yrs. See how more staff is better here? Im not even talking about which game is more successful cuz i know thats what u will reply but the amount of time needed to make the game is all about the staff. Anyways im done. Say what you want im not responding anymore, im sure it is clear by now you keep trowing things in the air that make no sense. Things you picked up on the net from random pple who like you have no idea of what they are talking about and then you claim it is facts.

[Yelta_Sumasu]

I would also like to see additional ways to grow my character outside of equipment. I would prefer it be some sort of new system though, unique to FFXIV.

In my perfect vision of a MMORPG we would never be done growing our characters.

[Elexia]

Clearly you know nothing about programing and game design if you say that a game with 1 person has more features then a game with 100+ staff.

I know plenty actually. I've even worked on hobby games before. There's even indie games that are doing better who, iirc have about...15? 20? people and games from commercial companies like capcom etc whom have 120+ that aren't doing anywhere near as good.

You should really look at the Japanese indie scene, a lot of indie games are done by 1 person to teams of under 10. Even look at the touhou fan-scene alone.

Things you picked up on the net from random pple who like you have no idea of what they are talking about and then you claim it is facts.

This sounds like you, especially with this latest post.

[Onidemon]

I know plenty actually. I've even worked on hobby games before. There's even indie games that are doing better who, iirc have about...15? 20? people and games from commercial companies like capcom etc whom have 120+ that aren't doing anywhere near as good.

You should really look at the Japanese indie scene, a lot of indie games are done by 1 person to teams of under 10. Even look at the touhou fan-scene alone.



This sounds like you, especially with this latest post.

See? I even wrote that the popularity of the game or how fun the game is has nothing to do with the staff and i clearly wrote it knowing you would reply that. Try making a FFXIV clone, same graphics, features, etc... exact clone. You and your 10 buddies alone. Then come talk to me in a decade or 2 and let me know where you stand.

[Onidemon]

I would also like to see additional ways to grow my character outside of equipment. I would prefer it be some sort of new system though, unique to FFXIV.

In my perfect vision of a MMORPG we would never be done growing our characters.

Unique to XIV is great. I'm sure Yoshi-P and his team can come up with something rlly good based on what i've seen lately. Problem is they think we don't want it, cuz a lot of pple here think it would make XIV even more different from XI.

[Elexia]

See? I even wrote that the popularity of the game or how fun the game is has nothing to do with the staff and i clearly wrote it knowing you would reply that. Try making a FFXIV clone, same graphics, features, etc... exact clone. You and your 10 buddies alone. Then come talk to me in a decade or 2 and let me know where you stand.

You do realize making an exact clone would make it even easier to do, right? You have access to every asset except source code (for the most part) if you've installed the game on your PC.

[Onidemon]

You do realize making an exact clone would make it even easier to do, right? You have access to every asset except source code (for the most part) if you've installed the game on your PC.

XIV's source code is not public first of all. 2nd, did i say make the exact game by reusing all the materials 100+ professional crafter over the last 5 yrs? Is this how you prove your point?

[Elexia]

XIV's source code is not public first of all.

You have access to every asset except source code (for the most part)

I'm pretty sure it's not public, do you know what the word "except" means? If not, it means not including. You have access to the .dll and executable, which gives you some access to the code, however reverse engineering is largely illegal to do.

[Onidemon]

I'm pretty sure it's not public, do you know what the word "except" means? If not, it means not including. You have access to the .dll and executable, which gives you some access to the code, however reverse engineering is largely illegal to do.

Again your are playing plain stupid cuz you do know what to say anymore. You cannot make a game like FFXIV with 10 pple, not unless you want it to take 20yrs and that by the time you finish, video games will have moved to something so different that you just wasted a 5th of your life. Regardless my point is, more staff = better and you tried to say it is the other way around and then claim you know how to make games. riiiiiiiight.....

[Elexia]

Again your are playing plain stupid cuz you do know what to say anymore.

So I'm stupid because I know what I'm actually talking about? lol.

Regardless my point is, more staff = better

Incorrect. Anyone who's in the business world knows this is one of the most misinformed statements ever. More staff doesn't mean better, it just means more people to manage and hope shit gets done. If more = better, your logic would dictate that indie games that have been taking off with far less staff than commercial companies aren't good games at all.