New winter glam for mogstation and not xmas event

[Raoabolic]

Seeing all the people defend a cash shop in a game with a subscription really puts things into prospective. No wonder game companies can get away with what they do. Loot boxes were so passively accepted governments had to get involved. What a sad state of affairs, oh well. At least I can get that sweet dopamine hit for only 18 units of currency!

[Avoidy]

Seeing all the people defend a cash shop in a game with a subscription really puts things into prospective. No wonder game companies can get away with what they do. Loot boxes were so passively accepted governments had to get involved. What a sad state of affairs, oh well. At least I can get that sweet dopamine hit for only 18 units of currency!

Yup, people get what they deserve. I'm glad more people are upset this time around though, because the actual holiday event is so damn lacking this time around. A bare ass christmas tree that just looks like stripped wood, and it's outdoor only so if you don't have a house you can't even use it. A mount you'll barely even see unless you make a point of standing outside major towns just to use it. No actual festive outfit to speak of, where in previous years it was just a standard. Why implement it now and sell it for 4 dollars in a year, when they could sell it for 18 dollars now, amirite? And then SE doesn't even have to comment, because fans here will defend the company for free. Even if you don't buy it, enough other people will so it won't even matter. The game will just get worse. I used to complain about this sort of thing all the time like when we got the cruise chaser mount as a 30 dollar package instead of an in game earnable item, or when we were asked to use grubhub to get a pizza emote and then the promotional company screwed the pooch and scammed tons of people, or all the dumb costumes released in the cash shop while there were content droughts going on, and all I ever heard in response was "what are you, poor??? It's only 30 dollars broski!" I've given up on having standards for this game in that regard. If I like an item, I'll buy it purely on that. I used to not buy this stuff on principle, but there's just no fucking point in voting with your dollar when most people will just buy 3 to spite the people who buy none.

And now, here we are. Christmas in XIV is dogshit and finally more people are upset about it. But what'll you do? Even if you boycott the new item, thousands of other people will cough up and buy it. And where does the money go? Probably to fund a new FF16 trailer.

[Raoabolic]

Yup, people get what they deserve. I'm glad more people are upset this time around though, because the actual holiday event is so damn lacking this time around. A bare ass christmas tree that just looks like stripped wood, and it's outdoor only so if you don't have a house you can't even use it. A mount you'll barely even see unless you make a point of standing outside major towns just to use it. No actual festive outfit to speak of, where in previous years it was just a standard. Why implement it now and sell it for 4 dollars in a year, when they could sell it for 18 dollars now, amirite? And then SE doesn't even have to comment, because fans here will defend the company for free. Even if you don't buy it, enough other people will so it won't even matter. The game will just get worse. I used to complain about this sort of thing all the time like when we got the cruise chaser mount as a 30 dollar package instead of an in game earnable item, or when we were asked to use grubhub to get a pizza emote and then the promotional company screwed the pooch and scammed tons of people, or all the dumb costumes released in the cash shop while there were content droughts going on, and all I ever heard in response was "what are you, poor??? It's only 30 dollars broski!"

Well, now Christmas in XIV is dogshit and finally more people are upset about it. But what'll you do? Even if you boycott the new item, thousands of other people will cough up and buy it. And where does the money go? Probably to fund a new FF16 trailer.

"people get what they deserve"
Hold on there Joker, I never signed up for this. Besides, who cares if a few are upset? For every person denouncing it there are 10 more willing to spend money for the "service". I'm glad you are calling an orange and orange but this mess is only going to get worse. Not trying to black pill you or anything, I'm sure eventually companies will push too hard and the majority will start demanding some change but I doubt cash shops or a system similar to that will ever go away anymore. Pandora's box was opened, all we can do is get out of the way and say "No, I am not going to give you 10 currency units to change how my avatar looks."

[Iscah]

Yup, people get what they deserve. I'm glad more people are upset this time around though, because the actual holiday event is so damn lacking this time around. A bare ass christmas tree that just looks like stripped wood, and it's outdoor only so if you don't have a house you can't even use it. A mount you'll barely even see unless you make a point of standing outside major towns just to use it. No actual festive outfit to speak of, where in previous years it was just a standard.

It has never been standard to get an outfit every year. Moonfire is the closest to being consistent on that, but even then not perfectly, and other events cycle between giving an outfit OR a mount OR a minion etc. but rarely everything at once.

Also, I assume the tree being bare wood is the point. It's not a conifer "Christmas tree" but a deciduous tree decorated with lights while it is leafless in winter.

If I was decorating an in-game house seasonally, I would certainly appreciate being able to swap out normally leafy trees for these winter versions, assuming they match closely enough.

[Avoidy]

"people get what they deserve"
Hold on there Joker, I never signed up for this."

That's my point. yeah. Even if you never signed up for this and vote with your wallet because you don't want to encourage more of this crap, it doesn't matter because everyone else just gobbles it up. And now a lot of people who used to defend it when it was "just mounts" or "just a haircut" or "just an emote" are coming around and acting upset because it's affecting a seasonal event that they care about, and those people are getting what they encouraged.

It has never been standard to get an outfit every year. Moonfire is the closest to being consistent on that, but even then not perfectly, and other events cycle between giving an outfit OR a mount OR a minion etc. but rarely everything at once.

Also, I assume the tree being bare wood is the point. It's not a conifer "Christmas tree" but a deciduous tree decorated with lights while it is leafless in winter.

If I was decorating an in-game house seasonally, I would certainly appreciate being able to swap out normally leafy trees for these winter versions, assuming they match closely enough.

It doesn't take much dev awareness to just give people a santa themed outfit and an indoor tree for a christmas event, is all I'm saying. "Standard" was the wrong word, I'll own up to that, but go look in the cash shop at all the 3 dollar outfits and furniture from past xmas events and compare it to this year's. Santa outfits, reindeer gear, snowman suits, antlers with a nose that /visors on and off, christmas trees that go -in- your house and actually look like traditional xmas trees, some even have snow on the branches and stuff -- and then compare it to this. The emaciated reindeer mount looks like a trash mob. The tree is a bleached looking trunk straight out of Coerthas, with some empty branches and basically can't be used by most players since most players don't own a home. And this is where the homeowners will come in to act like their home ownership is some sort of checkmate or they'll turn the next 2 pages of discussion into "just move to Materia if you really want a home!"

idk dude, I'm just done expecting good things from this game's events. If they're good, that's great. But I'm not surprised at all when we get some bare bones seasonal event followed up by an 18 dollar costume that looks like it should've been in the event. I'm not even shocked by the poor optics of it anymore. SE knows people will buy whatever they churn out so they don't care. I hate WoW but I hope its recent success forces SE to stop taking its players for granted.

[Raoabolic]

That's my point. yeah. Even if you never signed up for this and vote with your wallet because you don't want to encourage more of this crap, it doesn't matter because everyone else just gobbles it up. And now a lot of people who used to defend it when it was "just mounts" or "just a haircut" or "just an emote" are coming around and acting upset because it's affecting a seasonal event that they care about, and those people are getting what they encouraged.

Hey, all i'm sayin' is that the HorseArmor™ was optional. :^Y

[Iscah]

It doesn't take much dev awareness to just give people a santa themed outfit and an indoor tree for a christmas event, is all I'm saying. "Standard" was the wrong word, I'll own up to that, but go look in the cash shop at all the 3 dollar outfits and furniture from past xmas events and compare it to this year's. Santa outfits, reindeer gear, snowman suits, antlers with a nose that /visors on and off, christmas trees that go -in- your house and actually look like traditional xmas trees, some even have snow on the branches and stuff -- and then compare it to this.

That's the thing, though. They already gave us those items. We don't need a Christmas tree because it's already in the game; we don't need a Santa hat because it's already in the game (and usually going for decent marketboard prices still). I would rather they do different things. I like the idea of those trees and I don't see why a winter tree looking like trees from a wintery zone is particularly a negative (or avoidable even if they made this one from scratch).

The reindeer could do with some kind of collar or saddle or something, though. It looks too plain for a seasonal mount.

[Avoidy]

That's the thing, though. They already gave us those items. We don't need a Christmas tree because it's already in the game; we don't need a Santa hat because it's already in the game (and usually going for decent marketboard prices still). I would rather they do different things. I like the idea of those trees and I don't see why a winter tree looking like trees from a wintery zone is particularly a negative (or avoidable even if they made this one from scratch).

That's a completely separate issue. I would argue that those items might as well not be in the game if you missed out on those events, since the only way to get them is to fork over money. There's no option to take advantage of past events. If you want an indoor tree this year, your options are to hand millions of gil to a hoarder, or pay square five bucks. This isn't even the main point of the conversation though; the point is that past events had nice stuff that anyone could use, and this year's event is really only useful to a homeowner, with a reindeer mount that'll get as much use as any other mount (i.e. not much, unless you spend all of your time outside major cities/towns). Seasonal outfits can be used anywhere, by anyone; an indoor tree can be used by anyone with any kind of home at all. I'm tired of returning to the point of "well I like the tree." Whether or not you personally like the tree is moot; most people can't even use it, and that's the bigger issue. Compare that to past events, where it had costumes that anyone could wear. Furniture that people with apartments could utilize. etc.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's a completely separate issue. I would argue that those items might as well not be in the game if you missed out on those events, since the only way to get them is to fork over money. There's no option to take advantage of past events. If you want an indoor tree this year, your options are to hand millions of gil to a hoarder, or pay square five bucks. This isn't even the main point of the conversation though; the point is that past events had nice stuff that anyone could use, and this year's event is really only useful to a homeowner, with a reindeer mount that'll get as much use as any other mount (i.e. not much, unless you spend all of your time outside major cities/towns). Seasonal outfits can be used anywhere, by anyone; an indoor tree can be used by anyone with any kind of home at all. I'm tired of returning to the point of "well I like the tree." Whether or not you personally like the tree is moot; most people can't even use it, and that's the bigger issue. Compare that to past events, where it had costumes that anyone could wear. Furniture that people with apartments could utilize. etc.

The original Santa outfit is sellable on the market board and anyone who completed the event can get them from the calamity salvager. There are always posts every year of people giving out tons of them for free (they cost like, 120gil each)

[Iscah]

Compare that to past events, where it had costumes that anyone could wear. Furniture that people with apartments could utilize. etc.

I am comparing to past events.

Not every event had a costume, and the majority (if not all) events give away some kind of housing item, including outdoor items, despite their relatively low usability.

The events always oscillate between decent rewards and mediocre rewards. There are times we get outfits and times we do not. This is a time we do not, but it is not the first time it has happened.

We got an outfit for All Saints' Wake, and we're apparently getting one for Valentione's. As much as I personally prefer getting glamour over mounts, minions, barding or whatever else they want to invent, I know that they tend to alternate and (after getting over the disappointment that the Far Northern set isn't for Starlight after all) I'm not really surprised that it's a non-glamour round this time.