Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Shurrikhan]

Those are merely a combination of pinterest and a database. I suspect you know full well what's being referred to by "glamour catalog", given the earlier contexts.

If not:

• Glamours instantly made usable account-wide upon looting.
• No limits on how many glamours you can get/hold.
• No need for consumable items to equip or remove glamours.
• Can observe and try on all glamours, collected and yet to be collected, from anywhere in the world and at any time just via a basic menu pane alike to Actions and Traits -- with zero need to visit an inn, let alone a specific interactable therein.
• Emperor's New ----- items / hidden slots are automatically available options.
• Can see in-game where every glamour can be acquired, including even from which bosses, quests, events, etc.

..that cant be dyed with WOW's system

Nothing about the advantages above precludes dyeing items. An MMO can have both.

Note that not every XIV item is dyable, either, if only to get us to go out and farm recolors of those past items or to splurge on the-exact-same-skin-but-now-dyable. The restriction is separate and arbitrary.

Do you have ANY idea how big that database would be?

Smaller than WoW's in-game appearances collection pane, which manages it without any perceptible costs.

[Magikazam]

I don’t see how whataboutism is relevant? Can you not just play both if you wanted to? It’s not like you have to pick sides or something.

..or were you one of those kids that had to pick sides from team PlayStation or team Nintendo?



Not every game, or every piece of content within any given game, needs to appeal to everyone.

We can't compare thing now cause that would just make your points less valids or something? Never said we had to pick a side, Like many people pointed out, other MMO got repeatable content and FFXIV just decide to not have those, and many regards that as a downside.

My point here is that if you limit your argument too ''There a whole 4 xpac ammount of content'' then it still not a lot compared to the industry standard.


Also ''Not every game, or every piece of content within any given game, needs to appeal to everyone.'' That must be a joke right? FXIV does the best it can to appeal to the casual masses, to the point there a tremendous gap between casual and hardcore content, with few content for the midcore player.


You also completly skipped my point where there a lack of repetable content and just jumped on the whataboutism strawman anyway.

[Magikazam]

Quality over quantity. The point of pride is in consistently providing updates to the game. Since ARR, the team has been running the same schedule, where WoW has more gaps. This is one of the things that actually helps keep people coming back. They know what to expect and when to expect it. They even go so far as to have Moogle Events and Live Letters help mark the time until the next update.

WoW only had gap in WoD, for the rest of it cycle, you alway had patches around the same time of the years. Not that it matter really. The issues here agains is not consistency or quality, FXIV just offer poor replayability. the issues is not that we only get 1 or 2 dungeon per patches, the issues is that you most likely won't run that dungeon more than once unless you want the glamour they provides.

FFXIV usually have shorter side quest feel less like copy-paste ''Go kill/find 10 things nearby''. That better than WoW. But it don't matter cause those quest give nothing and there no real good reason to do them. Turn out popular contents are the one who reward the players

[kaynide]

4 multi hour expensions when your main rival in the industry got 10 is not something to show proudly.

Smells like bait, but sure why not:
Both WoW and FFXIV have released an expansion every 2 years..ish. WoW has 9 expansion packs, btw. (I hesitate to call the "classic" versions expansions...) They really aren't that different on paper. The only difference there is age.

Expansion Release (WoW):

World of Warcraft (2004)
1st Burning Crusade (2007)
2nd Wrath of the Lich King (2008)
3rd Cataclysm (2010)
4th Mists of Pandaria (2012)
5th Warlords of Draenor (2014)
6th Legion (2016)
7th Battle for Azeroth (2018)
WoW Classic (2019)
8th Shadowlands (2020)
Burning Crusades Classic (2021)
9th Dragonflight (2022)

Expansion Release (FFXIV):

A Realm Reborn (2013)
1st Heavensward (2015)
2nd Stormblood (2017)
3rd Shadowbringers (2019)
4th Endwalker (2021)

I'm not sure why the FFXIV team shouldn't be proud of their release schedule. They've been extremely predictable and open with their development.

You also completly skipped my point where there a lack of repetable content and just jumped on the whataboutism strawman anyway.

I don't care about your complaint because I'm not sure why FFXIV really needs any more replayability than it has; you are free to do what you want, and then do something else. Why should there be a NEED to do something more than you'd naturally want to do it? And if Devs really want you to do certain content more, they offer rewards like Mog-Tomes or mounts.

I for one am glad I'm not required to grind 1,000 fates to get some required armor piece to do some other content. Grinding just isn't fun for me. If I wanted it, I'd play a game that has it.

We can't compare thing now cause that would just make your points less valids or something?
My point here is that if you limit your argument too ''There a whole 4 xpac ammount of content'' then it still not a lot compared to the industry standard.

Your point is weird is the thing. "MMORPG X is inferior to MMORPG Y because it has been around longer and has more expansion packs". Or "4 packs is not a lot of content compared to the industry standard." That's your argument?

You're comparing very different games like there actually is a set industry standard across MMORPGs, let alone MMOs at all.

They're apples and oranges:

WoW and FFXIV release an expansion once every 2 years(ish).
FFXIV has been extremely consistent, very predictable.
Guildwars kinda sucks on the expansions/story release schedule and is all over the place.

WoW and Guildwars don't offer Cross Platform play;
FFXIV is on several different platforms/launchers.

WoW doesn't offer a dye system;
GW's dye system is EPIC.
FFXIV...lackluster..but it's something

GW and WoW allow you to skip expansions (that can be a pro or con)
FFXIV requires going from start to finish (unless you pay)

..What is the "Industry Standard" then? Who knows, and honestly I don't really care. If I'm having fun/getting my value, I'll keep paying. If not, I got all these other games just waiting for me.

[Magikazam]

I don't care about your complaint because I'm not sure why FFXIV really needs any more replayability than it has; you are free to do what you want, and then do something else. Why should there be a NEED to do something more than you'd naturally want to do it? And if Devs really want you to do certain content more, they offer rewards like Mog-Tomes or mounts.

I for one am glad I'm not required to grind 1,000 fates to get some required armor piece to do some other content. Grinding just isn't fun for me. If I wanted it, I'd play a game that has it.

Just cause you don't care dosen't mean it not an issues you know. Again, in case you didn't realise. FFXIV don't really have any competition in the market, Aside for like WoW and GW2 to some extend. So what are my option? Stop playing and going to other mmo with less player where my friends don't play? In game where social aspect is important? Nah, If I want to play a MMO and play with my friend it XIV or nothing.

Oh and sorry to ask for more content from a game that make me pay a monthly fee on top of paying 60 CAD each 2 years when they release an Xpac. I really should expect better quality from people that make me pay way more than other genre.

Your point is weird is the thing. "MMORPG X is inferior to MMORPG Y because it has been around longer and has more expansion packs". Or "4 packs is not a lot of content compared to the industry standard." That's your argument?

No, never said that and it almost like you do your best to hang on that strawman. Im just doing the same thing as you when you point out XIV dye system is lacking compared to GW2. You said there was tons of content in 4 xpac, I said I disagree cause other game from the same genre has more, therefore there a reasons why people think there is lack of contents. Anyway, like I said, it more about the fact half the content just don't give reward and therefore ain't interesting to do. Why do FATE and Yellow side quest unless they give achievement or glams? There way inferior in terms of Gils and XP to other stuff. Why is there no midcore content?

And you need to be on another level of delusion if you think compairing WoW, FFXIV and GW2 is comparing apple to orange. These are all MMO Theme park even with their differences. Why do you find it so weird people compare games with their direct competitions?

[kaynide]

Just cause you don't care dosen't mean it not an issues you know. Again, in case you didn't realise. FFXIV don't really have any competition in the market, Aside for like WoW and GW2 to some extend. So what are my option? Stop playing and going to other mmo with less player where my friends don't play? In game where social aspect is important? Nah, If I want to play a MMO and play with my friend it XIV or nothing.

Oh and sorry to ask for more content from a game that make me pay a monthly fee on top of paying 60 CAD each 2 years when they release an Xpac. I really should expect better quality from people that make me pay way more than other genre.


No, never said that and it almost like you do your best to hang on that strawman. Im just doing the same thing as you when you point out XIV dye system is lacking compared to GW2. You said there was tons of content in 4 xpac, I said I disagree cause other game from the same genre has more, therefore there a reasons why people think there is lack of contents. Anyway, like I said, it more about the fact half the content just don't give reward and therefore ain't interesting to do. Why do FATE and Yellow side quest unless they give achievement or glams? There way inferior in terms of Gils and XP to other stuff. Why is there no midcore content?

And you need to be on another level of delusion if you think compairing WoW, FFXIV and GW2 is comparing apple to orange. These are all MMO Theme park even with their differences. Why do you find it so weird people compare games with their direct competitions?

Ok, Got it. Game that has been out 9 years longer than other game has more content. How dare younger game have less content!

[Magikazam]

Ok, Got it. Game that has been out 9 years longer than other game has more content. How dare younger game have less content!

Again, did you miss, that for the third time I said that real issues is that half of the availaible content got no replayability or just don't give reward? And Yes, being a younger game is a downside in the MMO industry, it why most MMO die out after 6 months.

You guys really go trough some nice mental gymnastic to just avoid any kind of critic people have for this game. God forbid this game can still be good, and have downside and things to improve.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Again, did you miss, that for the third time I said that real issues is that half of the availaible content got no replayability or just don't give reward? And Yes, being a younger game is a downside in the MMO industry, it why most MMO die out after 6 months.

You guys really go trough some nice mental gymnastic to just avoid any kind of critic people have for this game. God forbid this game can still be good, and have downside and things to improve.

This is more and more sounding like a YOU problem than a game problem. If it were truly a thing that FFXIV has an issue with retaining players with stuff to do then we'd see huge decrease in numbers. You say you lack things to do, yet the opposite can be said to other people and frankly my dear it seems this is the majority of the playerbase.

And before you start playing the victim card, no. Just because people are against your points doesnt mean they find the game flawless and perfect. Sorry that your issue isnt as much of a flaw as you think it is.

[Magikazam]

This is more and more sounding like a YOU problem than a game problem. If it were truly a thing that FFXIV has an issue with retaining players with stuff to do then we'd see huge decrease in numbers. You say you lack things to do, yet the opposite can be said to other people and frankly my dear it seems this is the majority of the playerbase.

And before you start playing the victim card, no. Just because people are against your points doesnt mean they find the game flawless and perfect. Sorry that your issue isnt as much of a flaw as you think it is.

FFXIV community is the biggest echo chamber of posivity ive ever seen in any game. Sure people don't go around and directly say the game has no flaw but they do just like you just did. ''It not the game that wrong, it an you issues'' ''If you're not happy don't sub''. These free out of jail card are used a lot and even if I pointed tons of issues with the contents, people jump to these excuses rather and just accepting there an issues or you know, point a counter-argument that ain't just ''Well I disagree cause I don't believe it the case''

And that attitude just apply everywhere in the game. Complain about a plot-hole in the story? You bet it not bad writting, they will tell you that it just you being of bad spirit or over-analyzing. You enter a dungeon and point out that the level 80 dps only use single target 1-2-3 combo on the mobs pack? Well guess what, it not him playing bad, it you being an min-maxer monster that don't let people play like they want. SE butchered your class gameplay last patch? Clearly it an you issues and your complain are worthless, just get a new main class.

So I will ask again, Where midcore content? Why we got so much dead content that are just dead for the sake of it (Looking at you, FATE and Yellow side quest). Why don't we have more content like POTD or Eureka?

[Deveryn]

the issues is that you most likely won't run that dungeon more than once unless you want the glamour they provides.

This is a you problem for sure (very likely to be trolling). No one in their right mind only runs through a dungeon or any piece of content once or twice.