So, can we make noise about Miqote ears and hats?

[Denji]

It's miserable at how bad square is when it comes to equipment and characters with tails/ears.

I'm sorry but if you release a game with races that have unique body parts that need minor adjustments to gear in order for them to work then you should have factored that into the equation before releasing said races. It's inexcusable that Square and the devs have been skirting around this issue for years now. Complete and utter laziness imo. I really, really wish they would do a single patch cycle/version (not a major patch.. just like, a .5 or something) that's entirely about just... fixing the various things like this. Go through and spitshine everything across all races and genders, y'know?

[Arzalis]

Hats have been a problem for Miqo'te for at least as long as Hrothgar and Viera have been a thing. You didn't have a chance to presciently warn other players of some future event.

Specifically, they stopped caring about Miqo'te ears when ShB dropped. The same time we got Hrothgar and Viera. So it's literally the same issue at the same time.

Not sure what changed at Shadowbringers launch, but SE clearly hasn't cared about racial features much since then. It's very disappointing too. There are several headpieces that came out in EW that have somewhat comparable ARR gear, and the ARR gear is better because it doesn't lop the ears that should obviously be there off. I expect better quality as the game gets more popular, not worse.

It's also difficult to chalk it up to anything except taking shortcuts and/or laziness, as reluctant as I am to ever say that about any game development.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Specifically, they stopped caring about Miqo'te ears when ShB dropped. The same time we got Hrothgar and Viera. So it's literally the same issue at the same time.

There were Stormblood sets that cut off Miqo'te ears. It's definitely an older issue than just ShB.

There have also been a few pieces lately that cut off our tails. Put both on and you can be a Midlander with different animations.

[Azuri]

Specifically, they stopped caring about Miqo'te ears when ShB dropped. The same time we got Hrothgar and Viera. So it's literally the same issue at the same time.

I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

[Midareyukki]

I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

Hold it there, girlie. When you say "Caved in", you're implying both races were demanded by fans. Only one of them was. Yoshida stated very clearly that Hrothgar were their own project and that they wanted to add it to the game (it, or at least a beast race entirely, as they experimented with the Lupines prior to see how people would react to their inclusion). It was fans asking for Viera for years since them unveiling discarded artwork for playable Vieras that had them reconsider and add them as the female counterpart to Hrothgar.

Say what you will about Viera, that's for Viera players to justify. But Hrothgar were intended to be added with them experimenting since literally the making of Stormblood. Meaning they wouldn't have gone through it if they didn't think it was feasible. At no point is this the race's fault. But rather the decisions taken and the organization status of the group making this game.

Otherwise, look into a mirror, please. You're literally playing a race they added after ARR with several discarded designs yourself. Were Au Ra a race that should never have been released? What, with all the clipping you guys have with your horns and by your standards, could have fooled me.

The answer isn't obvious.

And it sure as hell doesn't justify what they're now doing to Miqo'te.

[SassyAssassin]

I mean, the answer is obvious. They've caved in and released two races that should have never been released.

Oh please, saying miqos don’t have ear holes because a massive game company added two races is incredibly ridiculous.

There are single people out there that can create that mod. They could literally hire the modder if they so wanted, this has nothing to do with us and we are waiting three years for crap.

You’re all making it really hard to have sympathy, yes offense, especially as it was already mentioned how ok it is for you to come on Viera threads and talk about your issues, but how we are shut down when we do the same and even blamed for something that could have been solved if the priorities and income was added back to this game and not whatever other games they are starting.

But yes lets turn against each other, thats always a smart move, no don’t bother trying to hold accountable where your money gets put into, blame the playerbase.

[HeyMcFly]

It's why I eventually became a lalafell on my main
Not having my ears correctly poke through hats frustrates me to no end

Viera & Hroth suffer the same issues - hats are simply no longer made for miqo'te & they were never made with au ra in mind
And Viera & Hrothgar are an afterthought on a forgotten backburner

The only way to get traction is to read what I've just wrote & keep making noise & asking those questions over & over.
This game company can absolutely give us a better character creator
It can absolutely give us outfits designed better for beast races in mind

But it won't because threads like this are far to few & the same type of noise needs to be made on the JP forum & other forums as well.
Keep at it- I do with my hairstyle threads because If I don't noone else will

[Aporis]

Oh please, saying miqos don’t have ear holes because a massive game company added two races is incredibly ridiculous.

There are single people out there that can create that mod. They could literally hire the modder if they so wanted, this has nothing to do with us and we are waiting three years for crap.

You’re all making it really hard to have sympathy, yes offense, especially as it was already mentioned how ok it is for you to come on Viera threads and talk about your issues, but how we are shut down when we do the same and even blamed for something that could have been solved if the priorities and income was added back to this game and not whatever other games they are starting.

But yes lets turn against each other, thats always a smart move, no don’t bother trying to hold accountable where your money gets put into, blame the playerbase.

I do agree with Sassy here. Playing the blame game is very unproductive and doesn't do anything but divide us on a problem that should really unite us all. I know many people who'd like to play as Hroth or Viera but are put off by the current limitations. As mentioned above, the racial neutralizing of outfit designs goes further back than when Viera and Hrothgar were added. The complete lack of Viera and Hrothgar hats is just exacerbating the situation, but it all began with Miqo'te. This concern should affect the entire playerbase and none of us should want a future for our loved game where every race is just a huyr with a different face and running animations.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Hold it there, girlie. When you say "Caved in", you're implying both races were demanded by fans. Only one of them was. Yoshida stated very clearly that Hrothgar were their own project and that they wanted to add it to the game (it, or at least a beast race entirely, as they experimented with the Lupines prior to see how people would react to their inclusion). It was fans asking for Viera for years since them unveiling discarded artwork for playable Vieras that had them reconsider and add them as the female counterpart to Hrothgar.

Say what you will about Viera, that's for Viera players to justify. But Hrothgar were intended to be added with them experimenting since literally the making of Stormblood. Meaning they wouldn't have gone through it if they didn't think it was feasible. At no point is this the race's fault. But rather the decisions taken and the organization status of the group making this game.

Otherwise, look into a mirror, please. You're literally playing a race they added after ARR with several discarded designs yourself. Were Au Ra a race that should never have been released? What, with all the clipping you guys have with your horns and by your standards, could have fooled me.

The answer isn't obvious.

And it sure as hell doesn't justify what they're now doing to Miqo'te.

Honestly, I wouldve just been happy if they kept with the original base races, at least then they wouldve given better attention to all of them and keep with the uniqueness of the usual archetypes. This is total contraversial opinion on my part yes but playable Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera were a mistake on their end.

[Midareyukki]

Honestly, I wouldve just been happy if they kept with the original base races, at least then they wouldve given better attention to all of them and keep with the uniqueness of the usual archetypes. This is total contraversial opinion on my part yes but playable Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera were a mistake on their end.

Maybe. But the damage is done, and constantly bickering about the race isn't gonna make this any better. Besides, it's normal for MMOs to introduce new races from time to time.

On that aspect, shouldn't you also include male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn in that list? They were added due to fan demand past 1.0. hehe.

Ok but no seriously. To those people who have the mindset Azuri has, tough; those races aren't going anywhere and they have people who love playing them. As do every other race. And if anything, I'd argue these races contribute the most to the game having visual diversity. Personally, that's something to be celebrated. And under no circumstance were these races the reason things aren't being done for them or other races.

Square Enix operates under Agile Development. At some point when planning out their Sprints, they should have planned for these races and the races that already existed. They chose not to. They chose to focus on other things instead, and even those didn't always come out "peachy". I understand budget, I understand timing, I understand minimal requirements and I understand that not everything is up to the team itself to decide and do. But just because those are understandable, it doesn't stop them from being hindrances that should have been accounted for. And those are far more believable than blaming the races for their state and that of others.

Say whatever you want about WoW. At least the races there actually feel unique.