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    There's something suspicious about that one lalafell in the middle screenshot. He's not looking forward.

    I think we'd all like to see something done about the bot problem but what can SE realistically do that they aren't already doing?

    As entertaining as a death trap under the Aetheryte would be, it would probably only aggravate your latency/FPS further with all the death animations going on.

    Out of curiosity, are they all just standing there or are they blinking in and out? Pretty unusual for bots to be just standing in one place unless they're RMT ad spamming and the gil sellers don't need that many in the same spot to ad spam.

    Perhaps the reason they're clustered there is SE has done something that prevents them from executing the next command in their script until their programmer comes up with a way to counter it. Players use idle cameras all the time in Limsa so it seems strange that we have only been getting screenshots of the bots idling in this particular location recently.

    If it is due to a countermeasure of SE's making, I will say it was a bad choice of location precisely because of the concentrated player activity that already occurs around the aetheryte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    I got excited that we had a mod post on the general forums, then I realized... yes, we are completely forsaken, the mods don't give two craps about this forum.
    Getting paid for minimal work are the pinnacle of mods, as the other option is narcissists on a power trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelgarde View Post
    GM's don't give a damn about a lot of things. You know who they give a damn about? The snowflakes who got criticised from another player who is just trying to help them improve, labelling them as toxic so that they can be banned. Then GMs actually ban them.
    just going to point out that your terminology may explain why said GM's act on those complaints and ban.

    there is likely some merit to the ban
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    Viglundur Krummason
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    Dear gods, the Lalafell army is assembling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edelgarde View Post
    GM's don't give a damn about a lot of things. You know who they give a damn about? The snowflakes who got criticised from another player who is just trying to help them improve, labelling them as toxic so that they can be banned. Then GMs actually ban them.
    considering the GM has the whooooooooole chat log between you and the one you're advising.
    and your post. well...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I think we'd all like to see something done about the bot problem but what can SE realistically do that they aren't already doing?
    Seeing as they're under the map, it's out of bounds are other games will disconnect, teleport or kill you for this. This is something they'd have to detect server side.

    In terms of making it harder from the client side... well I think the anti-cheat discussion doesn't need to be had because we all know what it means.
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    Stop posting names OP, you're gonna get moderated that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    Seeing as they're under the map, it's out of bounds are other games will disconnect, teleport or kill you for this. This is something they'd have to detect server side.

    In terms of making it harder from the client side... well I think the anti-cheat discussion doesn't need to be had because we all know what it means.
    For advertisement spamming it doesnt matter where they stand. Under the map or on the plaza is both just the same. So on that, detecting they are there might be trivial. But once they instantly take care of it, they will adjust the bots and they then will appear randomly acros the city instead (possibly even with diffirent outfits to obfuscate it further).

    The real solution is making sure those advertisements dont get shown. At that point it doesnt matter if its 10 or 100 bots, if none of them can spam, they are just a useless waste of resources for the spammer (and because of that, will be purged). Surely the spammer will then try other ways, but if those cost more, it makes its harder to generate profit.

    Effectively you just want to make their entire business not generate enough profit to sustain themselve. Banning 1000s of free accounts barely disrupts them as the accounts are free and creating them isnt that much effort when automated either. Yet the more they spam new accounts because of actions taken against them, can actualy put more stress on the servers of SE instead.
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    x) Square can just add a death field in non-traversible areas. That way, bots going OOB will just die on the spot.
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    Just report the bots as using abusive language and posting a damage meter.
    They will immediately investigate it and discover it is a bot.
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