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    There's something suspicious about that one lalafell in the middle screenshot. He's not looking forward.

    I think we'd all like to see something done about the bot problem but what can SE realistically do that they aren't already doing?

    As entertaining as a death trap under the Aetheryte would be, it would probably only aggravate your latency/FPS further with all the death animations going on.

    Out of curiosity, are they all just standing there or are they blinking in and out? Pretty unusual for bots to be just standing in one place unless they're RMT ad spamming and the gil sellers don't need that many in the same spot to ad spam.

    Perhaps the reason they're clustered there is SE has done something that prevents them from executing the next command in their script until their programmer comes up with a way to counter it. Players use idle cameras all the time in Limsa so it seems strange that we have only been getting screenshots of the bots idling in this particular location recently.

    If it is due to a countermeasure of SE's making, I will say it was a bad choice of location precisely because of the concentrated player activity that already occurs around the aetheryte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I think we'd all like to see something done about the bot problem but what can SE realistically do that they aren't already doing?
    Seeing as they're under the map, it's out of bounds are other games will disconnect, teleport or kill you for this. This is something they'd have to detect server side.

    In terms of making it harder from the client side... well I think the anti-cheat discussion doesn't need to be had because we all know what it means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    Seeing as they're under the map, it's out of bounds are other games will disconnect, teleport or kill you for this. This is something they'd have to detect server side.

    In terms of making it harder from the client side... well I think the anti-cheat discussion doesn't need to be had because we all know what it means.
    For advertisement spamming it doesnt matter where they stand. Under the map or on the plaza is both just the same. So on that, detecting they are there might be trivial. But once they instantly take care of it, they will adjust the bots and they then will appear randomly acros the city instead (possibly even with diffirent outfits to obfuscate it further).

    The real solution is making sure those advertisements dont get shown. At that point it doesnt matter if its 10 or 100 bots, if none of them can spam, they are just a useless waste of resources for the spammer (and because of that, will be purged). Surely the spammer will then try other ways, but if those cost more, it makes its harder to generate profit.

    Effectively you just want to make their entire business not generate enough profit to sustain themselve. Banning 1000s of free accounts barely disrupts them as the accounts are free and creating them isnt that much effort when automated either. Yet the more they spam new accounts because of actions taken against them, can actualy put more stress on the servers of SE instead.
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    Stop posting names OP, you're gonna get moderated that way.
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    Choose your Destiny:
    Pressure SE into fixing their gifting system and RMT issues
    >Defend the company
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    *the GCBTW presses the enter key*

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    x) Square can just add a death field in non-traversible areas. That way, bots going OOB will just die on the spot.
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    Just report the bots as using abusive language and posting a damage meter.
    They will immediately investigate it and discover it is a bot.
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    I just found out, that we have them too in Limsa / Twintania under the Aetheryte. 22 Lalas, Level 2, all afk.
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    Someone call the Forum Police! Because I wrote passive aggressively that DT looks not good. Oh how right I was!

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    Last I checked on Cactuar, there was over 50 of them.

    Limsa is now consistently getting bad FPS for me even in the dead hours of the night so I can only assume it's because they're still putting load on the GPU despite not being in line of sight.
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    They on Marilith too.

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    Is it bad that I wish the situation gets so bad that it destabilizes limsa entirely to point where SE has no choice but to actually do something drastic about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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