Healers need an overhaul

[Fendred]

On the shield healer side, isn't this a pretty milk toast issue? The core of scholar's toolkit is a two-second hard cast shield while sage's core toolkit is a pure heal that transforms into an instant cast shield of the same potency. Sage can just mitigate a lot more stuff than scholar due to being faster, and at the same potency to boot. Its the same thing on the cooldown side of things. Either its cooldowns are linked to adloq/succor and thus are slower by relation or the cooldown requires extraneous input (ground targeting, summoning seraph to use seraphic veil, having to dismiss a status effect to get your fairy back, etc).

People get bored of playing the same job all the time. When the only other option in a role is a downgrade, people are going to start playing another role.

[Nizzi]

On the shield healer side, isn't this a pretty milk toast issue? The core of scholar's toolkit is a two-second hard cast shield while sage's core toolkit is a pure heal that transforms into an instant cast shield of the same potency. Sage can just mitigate a lot more stuff than scholar due to being faster, and at the same potency to boot. Its the same thing on the cooldown side of things. Either its cooldowns are linked to adloq/succor and thus are slower by relation or the cooldown requires extraneous input (ground targeting, summoning seraph to use seraphic veil, having to dismiss a status effect to get your fairy back, etc).

This isn't true at all, SCH is by far better at mitigation than SGE is, which is why SCH is overwhelmingly picked for DSR over SGE because DSR is a mitigation intensive encounter.

[Atelier-Bagur]

On the shield healer side, isn't this a pretty milk toast issue? The core of scholar's toolkit is a two-second hard cast shield while sage's core toolkit is a pure heal that transforms into an instant cast shield of the same potency. Sage can just mitigate a lot more stuff than scholar due to being faster, and at the same potency to boot. Its the same thing on the cooldown side of things. Either its cooldowns are linked to adloq/succor and thus are slower by relation or the cooldown requires extraneous input (ground targeting, summoning seraph to use seraphic veil, having to dismiss a status effect to get your fairy back, etc).

People get bored of playing the same job all the time. When the only other option in a role is a downgrade, people are going to start playing another role.

I mean, you say that but as somebody who enjoys playing Warrior or Paladin, I always switch to other roles or classes to avoid self-burnout.

I cant ever understand people who limit themselves on having a "main" job on a game that gives you the freedom to switch your playstyle on the fly. Sounds like a very easy way to get bored or burn yourself out if you just stick to one or two classes.

If healer gets boring, I switch to dps, if dps gets boring, I switch to tank, and if tank gets boring I switch back to healer. I dont ever try to stubbornly stay on one role or class in this game if I dont want to, and I find myself the happier with this game's combat when I switch up playstyles and roles often.

[ASkellington]

I cant ever understand people who limit themselves on having a "main" job on a game that gives you the freedom to switch your playstyle on the fly. Sounds like a very easy way to get bored or burn yourself out if you just stick to one or two classes.

Welcome to how MMOs like WoW are played, where you have 1 class per character. I'll grant you, that in such cases there are talent trees to where you can switch you role (say from Heal/Tank to DPS) but to me there's little difference when fundementally I am playing one class (even if specs/trees play differently)

Much like you can't understand people who limit themselves on one job I can't understand why (outside of flexing) people like to have multiple jobs. Its a difference of preference. I like having one job to get good at, other people like several.

That said, that doesn't excuse the state of the healer role. "Self burnout" as you call it is a real thing yes, but self burnout is not the whole reason contributing to why people think healers currently suck.

[Nizzi]

I mean, you say that but as somebody who enjoys playing Warrior or Paladin, I always switch to other roles or classes to avoid self-burnout.

I cant ever understand people who limit themselves on having a "main" job on a game that gives you the freedom to switch your playstyle on the fly. Sounds like a very easy way to get bored or burn yourself out if you just stick to one or two classes.

If healer gets boring, I switch to dps, if dps gets boring, I switch to tank, and if tank gets boring I switch back to healer. I dont ever try to stubbornly stay on one role or class in this game if I dont want to, and I find myself the happier with this game's combat when I switch up playstyles and roles often.

Not really how Savage works. Gearing necessitates that you're locked into a role for at least 8 weeks, often way longer due to not everyone being week 1 clear material (nothing wrong with this) so often times you're stuck to your role for months a tier.
Further more, healers do not play meaningfully different from each other for a majority of their casts. There's not a single healer that breaks the monotony of 1 DoT 1 Filler Nuke spam. There's no "playstyles" within the healer role. There's one enforced way to play, on all four jobs within the role.
I get the point you're making, and I don't necessarily disagree with it (I don't do casual content on the jobs I raid on for the same reason) but at the same point, shouldn't "switching your playstyle on the fly" also apply within roles too, like it used to in the healer role?

[HyperiusUltima]

Not really how Savage works. Gearing necessitates that you're locked into a role for at least 8 weeks, often way longer due to not everyone being week 1 clear material (nothing wrong with this) so often times you're stuck to your role for months a tier.
Further more, healers do not play meaningfully different from each other for a majority of their casts. There's not a single healer that breaks the monotony of 1 DoT 1 Filler Nuke spam. There's no "playstyles" within the healer role. There's one enforced way to play, on all four jobs within the role.
I get the point you're making, and I don't necessarily disagree with it (I don't do casual content on the jobs I raid on for the same reason) but at the same point, shouldn't "switching your playstyle on the fly" also apply within roles too, like it used to in the healer role?

To add onto this, the only difference between the healers is in HOW they treat the damage that happens to keep the party alive. SCH/SGE provide shields and abilities that reduce overall damage with hard mitigation. I can't relate WHM to AST as much because they rely more on GCD healing than most, and AST relies on their oGCDs to handle things. The playstyles I see are extremely similar between SGE/SCH, but slightly different between WHM and AST as AST has a high APM and WHM is slower than most in terms of APM.