Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

[Ralphe2449]

Why dont you just play a solo game though? Like the purpose of MMOs is to be with other people playing the game at the same time.

Where in that description does it say "you should be forced to socialize and organize with other people you dont like"?

Having other people in the world is important, it gives a sense of real world, it adds competition both in pve and even the economy of the came which is fun and exciting, pvp also requires all those people as well.

Yet nowhere does it require "socialize and group up with those people manually" to enjoy content.

That is why so many hardcore games like new world failed, they though people would love socialization because a bunch of loud hardcores keep screaming "I miss my old social mmos " and some are now devs and decide to force their design on everyone, then they wonder why casuals dont bother with their games and choose to leave rather than socialize just do content.

New world had a number of leveling dungeons, the vast majority didnt touch those because there was no auto group finder like FF14.

FF14 even has more high end raid participation due to its accessibility, when people are allowed to do easy versions of high end content without the need for socialization they are far more likely to try out harder content in the future compared to a game that tells you "to do this content you need to socialize, otherwise you cant do it" which is the point me and many casuals just outright leave


MMO does not mean socialization, it means people running around the world.

[BaconBits]

Where in that description does it say "you should be forced to socialize and organize with other people you dont like"?

Having other people in the world is important, it gives a sense of real world, it adds competition both in pve and even the economy of the came which is fun and exciting, pvp also requires all those people as well.

Yet nowhere does it require "socialize and group up with those people manually" to enjoy content.

That is why so many hardcore games like new world failed, they though people would love socialization because a bunch of loud hardcores keep screaming "I miss my old social mmos " and some are now devs and decide to force their design on everyone, then they wonder why casuals dont bother with their games and choose to leave rather than socialize just do content.

New world had a number of leveling dungeons, the vast majority didnt touch those because there was no auto group finder like FF14


MMO does not mean socialization, it means people running around the world.

My brother in Christ I'm beginning to think you have a kink for elitists. Nearly every post you make is to take some potshots at the elitist boogieman and I gotta say, it's pretty weird fam.

Genuinely can't be healthy to have this much of a hate-boner for so long.

[Ralphe2449]

No where, do you like... not like anyone? or Have you already come to the conclusion you won't like anyone you meet in game already? Kinda jaded.

Maybe, maybe not most likely, the fact remains that the moment you put socialization as an OBSTACLE to doing content, you have screwed your game for casuals because it is a lot easier to quit a game rather than be forced to socialize just to do group content, hence why auto group finder was such a success when introduced in WoW and why it is such a success in FF14, because it is ACCESSIBLE, no chatting, no socialization, you press a button, wait for a que and play the content.


If you need to socialize, make manual groups just to do a single group activity most casuals wont bother and instead leave your game, which is what happened to new world and countless other "hardcore" mmos which listened to the loud hardcore crowd or the devs themselves were part of said crowd and then had a pikachu face reaction when casuals left their game in droves xd

My brother in Christ I'm beginning to think you have a kink for elitists. Nearly every post you make is to take some potshots at the elitist boogieman and I gotta say, it's pretty weird fam.

Genuinely can't be healthy to have this much of a hate-boner for so long.

Wont somebody think of the poor elitist hardcores who keep advocating for the destruction of casual systems and rewards in games just to coddle their fragile ego D:

[SaberMaxwell]

Wont somebody think of the poor elitist hardcores who keep advocating for the destruction of casual systems and rewards in games just to coddle their fragile ego D:

At least we know the casuals have you defending them

[BaconBits]

Wont somebody think of the poor elitist hardcores who keep advocating for the destruction of casual systems and rewards in games just to coddle their fragile ego D:

That's it? That's your gimmick? Yadda yadda I HATE ELITISTS repeated ad nauseam until the cows come home?

God I miss Titanmen.

[Shurrikhan]

That's it? That's your gimmick? Yadda yadda I HATE ELITISTS repeated ad nauseam until the cows come home?

Well, that and just sheer misanthropy, apparently? There's a hell of a lot of conflation going on there between "I actually like having other people to talk to out in the world, and reason to speak to them (including by having chill but rewarding things to do outside of silently run instances and solo-play alone)" and 'vile, casual-slaying, conspiratorial elitists.'

[Ath192]

Where in that description does it say "you should be forced to socialize and organize with other people you dont like"?

No where, do you like... not like anyone? or Have you already come to the conclusion you won't like anyone you meet in game already? Kinda jaded.