New story writer for 7.0

[aveyond-dreams]

We're on a new adventure but that doesn't require us to not be accompanied by old friends.

These old friends exhausted their stay and after an expansion of them doing next to nothing of substance, 6.1 would've been the perfect opportunity to start introducing new party members. 10 years of these characters was too much already, the thought of being subjected to more of the same stagnant character development is unthinkable. Whether a competent writer can make a compelling story that includes any vestiges of the Scions is up in the air, but as now the only thing that is certain is that we won't get that from Ishikawa or from whoever wrote 6.1.

[Kozh]

I'm not objecting to the part you seem to think I'm objecting to.

We are in agreement that the "disbanding" is in name only, correct?

The part I am objecting to is that since it is in name only, there is no reason to say that the disbanding should lead to them not accompanying with us, and we should find someone new.

We're on a new adventure but that doesn't require us to not be accompanied by old friends.

And you completely missed my point. I don't say we should adventure with new characters *BECAUSE OF* the scions "disbanded". I only said that it's the perfect opportunity to introduce new characters, whether it's minor or major npc. I look it from outside of the game perspective.

The scions disbanding is like that awkward moment where you already said goodbye to your friend (expecting to not see them for quite a while since both of you are busy) , but accidentally cross path with them again five minutes later.

I would rather they have the scions busy with their own projects and life, and you meet them again in 6.4/6.5, for example. Or maybe in 7.0

[Foxowl]

I have to be honest, at this point the issue of the Scions in the patches seems to be less of a writing issue and more of a marketing issue. If a person went through the story without watching any live-letters, seeing the marketing for 6.1, or hearing Yoshi-P’s comments, I feel like I at least wouldn’t have an issue with Scions being present (unless I hated the Scions, which I don’t, but I know many people here do).

6.1 handles it clumsily because it needed Urianger for trusts (he was dead weight in the one quest he appeared in) and needed to set up the Baldesion Scions’ participation in the Alliance Raid (and needed G’raha for trusts). I suspect this might have also been because 6.1 was the first post-EW patch and so they didn’t have the resources to create brand-new trusts like Zero in 6.2

Getting over my initial skepticism at the “Newfound Adventure” marketing, I’ve found it more reasonable to treat EW patches as the Endwalker epilogue before 7.0’s brand new story: we’re following up on Endwalker plot points and themes with Vrtra, Thavnair, and presumably the Moon/Warcher/Zodiark very soon, but these patches are also being used to wrap up loose ends like shard travel, the Thirteenth, and most importantly Y’shtola. Say what you will about how smart (?) or snarky (?) Y’shtola is, but despite being the “mascot” NPC that isn’t the WoL, she’s the only non-Baldesion Scion who isn’t at a great ending point for their story. Urianger and Thancred had their big moments in EW and ShB respectively, and are now effectively both retired, and the twins are in a similar spot, but Y’shtola still has a very big desire to return to the First, and until that’s resolved she’s still a loose end. I’m like 80% sure at this point that 6.5 will end with her departure in some way.

[Kazemon15]

These old friends exhausted their stay and after an expansion of them doing next to nothing of substance, 6.1 would've been the perfect opportunity to start introducing new party members. 10 years of these characters was too much already, the thought of being subjected to more of the same stagnant character development is unthinkable. Whether a competent writer can make a compelling story that includes any vestiges of the Scions is up in the air, but as now the only thing that is certain is that we won't get that from Ishikawa or from whoever wrote 6.1.

You know, I'm genuinely curious if you have EVER watched a show that goes on for more than 10 years. I can guaranteed you that they don't suddenly change their main characters because you think "we had them for 10 years already, time for a change!" ...that's called bad writing, you know? But it seems you're a fan of bad writing because that's all you go on about. The ONLY time long running shows change main characters is if they had a second "part" to it or change the name, after a timeskip or something, which we have not had.

Based on your "10 years of characters too much in a long running game/show, gotta change!" I bet you think shows like One Piece, Dragon Ball Z/Super, Naruto, Pokemon, and whatever other series I can't recall atm are all "bad". Most of these shows, I admit, I never stuck around for. Why? Because the characters don't appeal to me and I didn't like where the series was going. Maybe, I dunno, you should do the same? Drop the "show" of FFXIV if you don't like the characters?

So toxic. It's really embarrassing whenever I see something like this in any fandom.

And it's kinda funny, I thought shill knights would listen to Yoshi-p words, but apparently not, considering the man himself hype "newfound adventure" so much that EW delay is due to him wanting emet to become his mouthpiece. But nooo.. It's the player's fault for expecting that to happen.

The game could've easily introduced minor npc to go on a light adventure with us, but here have the scions instead, even though just a patch ago they said they're "disbanding" to go incognito.

No, what's toxic is other people acting like only their opinion matters and keeps screaming the same tired thing at others in hopes to get attention and crying about how things are so so so horrible. And then people disagree with them and tell them otherwise, start crying about how they are being bullied.

Nothing what I said was toxic because it was the truth. None of his whining about the story will ever come to fruition. The Japanese developers and story don't CARE about his OPINION on how he thinks they should do THEIR story. It's THEIR story. Not his. Not yours. Not anyone else's. You either come along for the ride or get off if you don't like it. That's how it was before we had social media or anything to contact the producers about and tbh that is how it should stay.

[DPZ2]

I do often find myself wondering how different the story would be if it didn't have to get the Yoshi P seal of approval; particularly after the mention of Endwalker having to go through several drafts before he accepted one of them and his...weird takes about certain characters.

Wonder no more. There wouldn't be a different story. There would be no story at all. Period.

As an aside, net sales for the MMO division are up 3 billion Yen from this time last year. This, in a time when net sales for "Smart Device" games dropped by almost 6 billion Yen over the same period.

[DPZ2]

If Square wants us to believe we're getting any Newfound Adventure, they're failing at it SO HARD right now. It comes off as more of a convenient excuse, which is a really shitty precedent that Endwalker established as prevalent that it would benefit them to break from.

Come now. The Expansions have always been built out to resolve the current expansion in the x.3 release, which is not out yet, with x.4 and x.5 gearing up for the next expansion. Newfound Adventure won't actually start showing up in-game until next April at the earliest.

The title in 6.1 was more aspirational than declarative. We're no longer dealing with Primals, Ascians, or World-destruction.

[Kazemon15]

"Blah, blah, blah don't like my game, leave so I can enjoy it without you annoying me, blah, blah."

Yeah, TOTALLY not the toxic one when your rationale boils down to basically "STFU and GTFO" with a larger word-count.

If that's the case, what he says boils down to "Blah blah blah, you're wrong and I'm right, that's a fact" is just as toxic, but I don't see anyone saying that to him.

But whatever, time to go do more of the new content instead of wasting time here.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Come now. The Expansions have always been built out to resolve the current expansion in the x.3 release, which is not out yet, with x.4 and x.5 gearing up for the next expansion. Newfound Adventure won't actually start showing up in-game until next April at the earliest.

Except, they said this set of patches was the exception and not the rule. Also, double post. ;3

This is a decidedly Western viewpoint. Valid from your perspective, sure.

But in a society where ongoing visual media series are just hitting their stride after 10 years, it is way off the mark.

Detective Conan, sitting at 900+ episodes at this time, is a case in point. As is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, now getting close to 40 years in print. Black Butler is almost at the 200 mark. (ok, ok, #193 just came out last week).

If Tolkien had been writing Japanese serials, Frodo might still be on the way to Mordor.

"Western".

Okay, scrub. Contemplate the worth of coming to the table with a valid counterpoint next time.

If that's the case, what he says boils down to "Blah blah blah, you're wrong and I'm right, that's a fact" is just as toxic, but I don't see anyone saying that to him.

But whatever, time to go do more of the new content instead of wasting time here.

I'd believe you, if he in any way, shape or form actually said any such thing. Being interpreted in the worst possible light by a known bad-faith poster is not grounds for toxicity, nor proof of its existence. Anywhoozies, Bye Felicia~

[DPZ2]

10 years of these characters was too much already

This is a decidedly Western viewpoint. Valid from your perspective, sure.

But in a society where ongoing visual media series are just hitting their stride after 10 years, it is way off the mark.

Detective Conan, sitting at 900+ episodes at this time, is a case in point. As is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, now getting close to 40 years in print. Black Butler is almost at the 200 mark. (ok, ok, #193 just came out last week).

If Tolkien had been writing Japanese serials, Frodo might still be on the way to Mordor.

[DPZ2]

Except, they said this set of patches was the exception and not the rule. Also, double post.

The "exception" only applies to "we'll finish the currently story line in patches 6.1, 6.2, 6.3".

What does "double post" mean? I see only my original post with an additional line.