Mentor Roulette needs a serious overhaul

[Lunalepsy]

Greetings,

Id say the title really gives it away. The current state of Mentor Roulette is completely outdated and 90% of the content that you queue into, has nothing to do with being a Mentor.
If it was renamed "Fill-Roulette", itd be a much more fitting title.
The only times where a Mentor can actually help and guide new players, is when we are queued into a synced extreme fight, maybe arguably even a normal trial/raid.
(That is to say people actually listen/follow advice, which we will just assume they do in this post (harassment and ridiculing mentors could be its very own post)).

A seasoned player will not be able to help somebody in a guildhest/regular dungeon or something like castrum meridianum, honestly, the game does a well enough job to teach each player how it works/how it wants to be played. The only aspects that a Mentor can usually address are basic concepts like using aoe spells on multiple mobs or using your cooldowns correctly, but again, the game has a built in system for each role that does a sufficient job.

Now heres my idea: Make 2 new roulettes.
Like mentioned eariler, Fill-Roullette, which would replace the current Mentor Roullette.
Exact same content, completely random and you would just fill spots that are hard to come by otherwise.
New Mentor Roullette, would work via the party finder.
No more hard-queueing extremes, only via PF.
Now, people that help out such groups actually join as a guide/mentor, prepared.
I also suggest increased rewards for such effort, as it can take a good amount of time to help such groups out, especially if you have to explain the entire encounter from start to finish.

This idea is by no means finished and might leave much to be desired before it can actually make it into the game, but I hope this at least sparks a discussion or directs SEs attention to the problem.

Tldr: Mentors are supposed to help and guide new players, not be the fill for content nobody else wanted to do.

The whole game needs an overhaul.

[Bukachu]

I think its fine as it is, filling up spots that are needed are a big part of being a mentor and helping out community.

being a mentor isnt just about teaching people what and how to do.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I've been a mentor for years and don't have Mentor Roulette unlocked cause I have all these "????" on the duty list but no clue what it is or where/how to unlock it. I tried to finish the list and after still having like 10 of these optional things that I don't even know they exist...I just gave up looking for them. Could I get these done? Absolutely. It's just not worth the effort.

Same.

I only have few StB EX trials left to clear then I’m good to queue for the roulette, but frankly I don’t think I have that patience of a saint to deal with every sort of personalities I’ve read in those anecdotes… I’d rather just let the roulette collect dusts than subjecting randoms to my potentially bad outbursts lol.

[Jettinson]

Frankly I am quite surprised how easy is to become a mentor, I have the requirements for either crafter/gatherer and pve and I have NEVER did a synced extreme trial aside Emerald Weapon but that was week 1 or 2, so it was more of a learning session which was the first time learning of shared tank buster lol.


Personally I do not even bother becoming a mentor, its roulette is just not worth it, the mount isn't enticing or worth the pain, having a crown is also a bigger pain because you will get treated differently for good or worse so expectations are off the charts.

Luckily If you plan on helping you can just become a normal player, put Join in Progress in the DF settings as your Diet Mentor Roulette and provide whatever help you can.
At the moment, mentor roulette feels like it exists just to exist, nothing against the mentors

[Deceptus]

Frankly I am quite surprised how easy is to become a mentor, I have the requirements for either crafter/gatherer and pve and I have NEVER did a synced extreme trial aside Emerald Weapon but that was week 1 or 2, so it was more of a learning session which was the first time learning of shared tank buster lol.

The requirements to be a mentor are pretty lax but the requirements to access the mentor roulette aren't.

Few things:

1) Players need to severely re-think what the concept of a mentor is because what they have in their own heads isn't the same thing as what the FFXIV developers have stated. Be a decent example of player behavior, and fill queues. That's about it. A "decent example of behavior" is extremely subjective and everyone has off days.

2) EX content has no business being in mentor roulette, at all. At that level of play, you shouldn't be teaching people basic rotations, how to use abilities they could easily read their tooltips to figure out (read: MITIGATION), and multiple boss mechanics that can't be easily explained over party chat.

[LianaThorne]

Same.

I only have few StB EX trials left to clear then I’m good to queue for the roulette, but frankly I don’t think I have that patience of a saint to deal with every sort of personalities I’ve read in those anecdotes… I’d rather just let the roulette collect dusts than subjecting randoms to my potentially bad outbursts lol.

Been there, just joined unsync parties and dipped after I got my clears. Took me a day or two to get the ones I was missing. No need to outburst or anything at people at that point since you're in and out in 5m with each with how braindead the unsync strats are now.

[LianaThorne]

The requirements to be a mentor are pretty lax but the requirements to access the mentor roulette aren't.

Few things:

1) Players need to severely re-think what the concept of a mentor is because what they have in their own heads isn't the same thing as what the FFXIV developers have stated. Be a decent example of player behavior, and fill queues. That's about it. A "decent example of behavior" is extremely subjective and everyone has off days.

2) EX content has no business being in mentor roulette, at all. At that level of play, you shouldn't be teaching people basic rotations, how to use abilities they could easily read their tooltips to figure out (read: MITIGATION), and multiple boss mechanics that can't be easily explained over party chat.

Been brought up already but region play differences factor into EX trials being on the DF and a requirement for mentor roulette. I personally think they should separate requirements based on DC (since NA flat out ignores DF extremes while JP uses it for farms/when you actually know the mechanics) but that's probably gonna be too much effort for them.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Been there, just joined unsync parties and dipped after I got my clears. Took me a day or two to get the ones I was missing. No need to outburst or anything at people at that point since you're in and out in 5m with each with how braindead the unsync strats are now.

Eh, the outburst meant for "if I get to unlock Mentor Roulette & doing it".

I'm aware those EX are easy to unsync nowadays. I just haven't mustered any motivation to get them cleared. Not being a 'mount person' certainly allows me to not bother them at all.

[Liam_Harper]

I think its fine as it is, filling up spots that are needed are a big part of being a mentor and helping out community.

That's why it's not fine. Filling up spots is important, but it's restricted to Mentor only.

Personally I'd turn Mentor Roulette into Adventurer in Need Roulette. Anyone could queue for it and it would fill in any duties (EX and Savage excluded) with long wait times. It would also be tied to the Astrope mount.

Mentorship itself needs a full rework. No rewards or crowns and better systems for players who want to learn to actually find help from other players.

[Raoabolic]

Frankly I am quite surprised how easy is to become a mentor, I have the requirements for either crafter/gatherer and pve and I have NEVER did a synced extreme trial aside Emerald Weapon but that was week 1 or 2, so it was more of a learning session which was the first time learning of shared tank buster lol.


Personally I do not even bother becoming a mentor, its roulette is just not worth it, the mount isn't enticing or worth the pain, having a crown is also a bigger pain because you will get treated differently for good or worse so expectations are off the charts.

Luckily If you plan on helping you can just become a normal player, put Join in Progress in the DF settings as your Diet Mentor Roulette and provide whatever help you can.
At the moment, mentor roulette feels like it exists just to exist, nothing against the mentors

When you bury the skill floor by the core of the Earth then everyone can be a mentor! lol